story on Whites, Kehne and my question?

[bearpaw]

Myself and my guides have been seeing occasional wolf tracks in NE WA since the late 80's or early 90's. We'd see them every year or two in the winter, but usually just a few traveling together, we never saw tracks of large packs.

It is also common knowledge that a local wolf hybrid breeder opened the kennel doors and turned all his wolve hybrids loose in GMU 121. Local people say several have been shot but not all of them. Because wolfbait and others have talked about eyewitness accounts of wolves being turned loose, I highly suspect that other wolf breeders and possibly wolf groups have turned hybrids or wolves loose around the state.

I doubt the state has attempted to turn any wolves loose. Wolves have been documented to suddenly strike out and cover country, a good example is the wolf from NE Oregon that is now in California, and the wolf that went from Yellowstone to NW Montana, then all the way to Colorado in 6 months. It is nothing for these wolves to move around from state to state. Wolves from NE WA or from the Methow could easily turn up anywhere in WA.

[Special T]

There are 2 very big differences in behavior that do NOT match up, and are never explained... Like BP said,  nearly all of the sitings were of just a couple of wolves. They stayed in the woods and were mostly seen in the winter.   We now see larger packs roaming areas that are not deep in the woods like before...  I would argue that we have 2 different kinds of wolves in this state. From the differences in observation we have wolves that are/were in this state that did live balanced in the Eco-system... It has only been in the last 10 or so years that we have seen the explosion of large packs disseminating form the Yellowstone area. Sightings are just a snapshot of what is going on, so it is harder to "Certify" what is going on. But it is safe to say that a major social change is more likely from a different kind of wolf than some kind of evolution in the wolves that were already here.   

[WAcoyotehunter]

They lost thier trust from me. Time to clean house... Look up some of Wolfbaits posts. He has posted lots of articles from newspapers around the area on the west side that talk about wolf sitings. 

 

 Agreed

You're kidding right?  Wolfbait never provided anything to the site...he made outrageous claims without any evidence...at all... I wonder how his big court date is going? He was going to prove it to the world in court if I remember correctly.

[Special T]

Well you are referring to his claims of wolves being transplanted... I'm referring to the VOLUMES of news articles that talked about wolves. Especially the ones that talked about wolves in WA during the period that the state said there was none... I won't argue the case about transplanting here in WA. What i would argue is that we had wolves here before this so called "recovery". That and the "Experimental transplant" of wolves to YNP did not use the same kinds of wolves that are/were in the Rockies and Cascaides.  To me it is like trying to convince someone that a steel head is the same  as a Chinook salmon... Yes they are both salmonoids but they are not the same...  The state recognizes the differences in salmon but not for wolves...   

I personally think it is irrelevant to argue if they are transplanted... I think the ESA is about $$$ for lawyers, and activism for wacko environmentalists... I think to really solve the issue we new 2 things.. Rob McKenna as Gov, and to scrap the ESA. 

[Humptulips]

The wolfer meeeting I attended in Yakima last fall was full of I do not know and how could this happen from the WDFW.  They openly discussed that they felt no management would need to occur before 2020.  Many still feel the same.

In a meeting with Donny Martorella I had a different impression. He seemed real worried they did not have the tools available to control their numbers. He talked about snares and of course they are illegal in WA.
Reading between the lines he implied something would need to be done sooner rather then later.

[GrainfedMuley]

It was when the state started transplanting

The fact that you guys still push this baseless, proofless rumor is beyond me.

They collared a wolf in the northeast part of Washington 2 years ago. Took a DNA sample and thew DNA goes back to a pack in the Grand Teton National Park. That's an awful long ways for a wolf to travel on it's own without help. Yes WE ALL believe that the state planted some here.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Well you are referring to his claims of wolves being transplanted... I'm referring to the VOLUMES of news articles that talked about wolves. Especially the ones that talked about wolves in WA during the period that the state said there was none... I won't argue the case about transplanting here in WA. What i would argue is that we had wolves here before this so called "recovery". That and the "Experimental transplant" of wolves to YNP did not use the same kinds of wolves that are/were in the Rockies and Cascaides.  To me it is like trying to convince someone that a steel head is the same  as a Chinook salmon... Yes they are both salmonoids but they are not the same...  The state recognizes the differences in salmon but not for wolves...   

I personally think it is irrelevant to argue if they are transplanted... I think the ESA is about $$$ for lawyers, and activism for wacko environmentalists... I think to really solve the issue we new 2 things.. Rob McKenna as Gov, and to scrap the ESA. 

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[CAMPMEAT]

Dale,
A freind of mine saw 5 wolves cross the road in front of him when has was grading a road up near Smackout Pass. He said it was a couple weeks ago.
Campmeat

[bobcat]

Yes WE ALL believe that the state planted some here.

That's not true. I don't believe that and I know of many others who don't. Look back about 8 posts and you'll see where Bearpaw said he "doubts the state has attempted to turn any wolves loose."

[pianoman9701]

It was when the state started transplanting

The fact that you guys still push this baseless, proofless rumor is beyond me.

They collared a wolf in the northeast part of Washington 2 years ago. Took a DNA sample and thew DNA goes back to a pack in the Grand Teton National Park. That's an awful long ways for a wolf to travel on it's own without help. Yes WE ALL believe that the state planted some here.

Not sure what you mean by we. I don't believe it. And wolves can travel a thousand miles or more on their own, in a relatively short period of time.

[Special T]

I just went back and checked. The last 30 posted he made back in Jan of 11 were all 3rd party documentation. His first post back in june of 09 and he was talking about wolves back then and starting to gather and post information on wolves...

I would not be surprised if SOMEONE was releasing wolves... WHO? Wouldn't know... But wouldn't you agree that it is odd that several people in different areas are describing the same kinds of activities? 

I do think arguing about it detracks from many of the facts that should be addressed.   Maybe if the WDFW acted more like our champion people would not  believe such things?  Because the WDFW is a political agency and does not really support hunters it makes it a lot easier for me to think that they may be involved...

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Seems to me  he got the TWG2 kind of send off here since certain folks took offense to his  posts, since many were not PC. and some here are so naive (sp) that they, well, forget it! I run into him on HFNW

[GrainfedMuley]

It was when the state started transplanting

The fact that you guys still push this baseless, proofless rumor is beyond me.

They collared a wolf in the northeast part of Washington 2 years ago. Took a DNA sample and thew DNA goes back to a pack in the Grand Teton National Park. That's an awful long ways for a wolf to travel on it's own without help. Yes WE ALL believe that the state planted some here.

Not sure what you mean by we. I don't believe it. And wolves can travel a thousand miles or more on their own, in a relatively short period of time.

OK, wrong wording........I believe the state planted wolves. This liberal state, it would not suprise me at all.

[pianoman9701]

It was when the state started transplanting

The fact that you guys still push this baseless, proofless rumor is beyond me.

They collared a wolf in the northeast part of Washington 2 years ago. Took a DNA sample and thew DNA goes back to a pack in the Grand Teton National Park. That's an awful long ways for a wolf to travel on it's own without help. Yes WE ALL believe that the state planted some here.

Not sure what you mean by we. I don't believe it. And wolves can travel a thousand miles or more on their own, in a relatively short period of time.

OK, wrong wording........I believe the state planted wolves. This liberal state, it would not suprise me at all.

If you can prove it, you can probably have federal charges filed against any involved. Just sayin, there's way too much risk for a gobmit employee to do this without taking the required steps. And, the movement of Yellowstone wolves has been tracked into WA and OR with radio collars. Why is that so hard to believe?

[Special T]

I think it is a more usefull and profitable argument that the wolves transported to YNP  were not done properly.  The USFS did not follow the proper steps OR reintroduce the proper kind of wolf to the area... As a result the few wolves that were here were overrun by these competing canines... We should make the argument that  because of this there should be open season on them.