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Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« on: June 18, 2012, 06:23:33 PM »
Gee, I wonder how many fawns are really killed by human contact, versus by a predator.

Note at the bottom where they give us advice how to "help wildlife".....  instead of advising hunters to start thinning the predator population, we should instead "support your local volunteer wildlife rehabilitators".  :bash:

I am sick of this from Wildlife, maybe I should post over in P&M?  :dunno:





WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov

CROSSING PATHS NEWS NOTES

June 2012

Now playing: The invasion of the baby snatchers

It's fawn-napping time again.

And we don't mean baby deer taking naps.

No, unfortunately it's that time of year when too often too many people "kidnap" fawns -- and other wildlife babies -- found outdoors.

They often think they're saving an abandoned baby, says Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) biologist Patricia Thompson.

"But most of the time they're actually kidnapping a baby out from under the watchful eye of a nearby but unseen mother deer," Thompson said. "It's the annual re-run of "The invasion of the baby snatchers."

Thompson, who coordinates Washington's licensed wildlife rehabilitator program, takes calls nearly every day at this time of year from well-intentioned but uninformed people.

Sometimes she can talk people into leaving the fawn where it is or putting the fawn back where they found it so the doe can reunite with her baby again. But too often she has to enlist the help of a licensed rehabilitator trained in wild animal care.

"An uninjured fawn really doesn't need human care," she said. "It needs its mother. In the rare case of a truly orphaned fawn, it needs a special diet and treatment, as well as no human contact to eventually be rehabilitated back to the wild."

Thompson says it's frustrating because WDFW has been promoting "leave wild babies in the wild" forever, and information has been available for years on WDFW's website (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/health/rehabilitation/when_not_to_rescue.html ).

"Sometimes I think people just can't help themselves," she said. "When a wild baby seems helpless or abandoned, you want to help."

But that help can ultimately be a death sentence for young wild animals, which are often intentionally left alone for hours while their parents gather food.

Doe deer leave their fawns alone to avoid drawing predators with their own body scent. Young birds commonly leave the nest before they are fully-feathered and are fed on the ground by their parents for a day or two until they are able to fly. It is common to see very young American robins, spots and all, on the ground waiting to be fed by mom or dad.

More often than not, just leaving a young animal alone affords it the best chance for survival.

Leaving these babies alone means you need to confine cats, dogs and other pets that can cause lethal injury. One of the most common causes of injuries to wildlife, is attacks by cats. Any animal attacked by a cat needs a wildlife rehabilitator's care, even if it does not look injured.  Cat bites often cause serious infection.

One of the few situations in which almost anyone can help wild babies is when very young, un-feathered birds have fallen out of the nest and are on the ground.

If you can find the nest and safely reach it, simply pick up the nestling with a gloved hand and put it back in the nest. Contrary to popular belief, the parent birds will not reject their young because it's been handled by humans.

Thompson recently reported a situation where a fawn was hung up in a fence, probably while trying to follow its mother. It was freed by a neighbor who watched it run around by itself for a day, but then witnessed it reunite with its mother to nurse.

In another recent incident, a fawn brought in to a licensed wildlife rehabilitator was returned to the pick-up spot within 24 hours. When released by the rehabilitator, the fawn cried out and within minutes a doe appeared, stomping its feet at the human (who quickly exited so the two could reunite.)

Wild animals of any age that show obvious signs of illness or injury such as bleeding, vomiting, panting, shivering, or ruffled feathers or fur, or that are just lethargic and make no effort to escape your approach, may indeed be in need of care. However, call a wildlife rehabilitator first before attempting to pick the animal up.

Most Washington counties have wildlife rehabilitators, listed with phone numbers and addresses for 24-7 access on the WDFW website at http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/health/rehabilitation/ .

If you and a wildlife rehabilitator decide it might be best to help the animal, find out from them how to safely contain and transport the animal. Always wear gloves when picking up a wild animal to place it in the container. Until the animal is transported to the rehabilitator, keep it in a warm, quiet, dark place.

Another way to help wildlife, whether or not you find an injured animal in need of care, is to support your local volunteer wildlife rehabilitators. All of these volunteers must establish and maintain a good working relationship with a cooperating veterinarian, and many are veterinarians themselves; none can charge for their services to wildlife, but may accept donations.   

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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 08:34:32 PM »
I agree.  I also wonder why rehabilitate in the first place?  To put them in a zoo?  "Wild" life is truly brutal, let nature take its course. 

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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 08:43:41 PM »
Lots of people never see wdfw's website or even know it exists? if you dont hunt or fish you have no real reason to have a clue about it :dunno:

We do not teach kids how to use rulers or read clocks with hands and numbers, how on earth do we expect people to know the finer points of animal husbandry let alone wildlife birthing and rearing habits?

Its a bummer and I grew up around critters and had no clue they just abandoned babies like that all other animals I spent time around would not do that and an abandoned newborn would be a sign of rejection and possible illness...figure the average joe might know about puppies and kitties they do not leave their newborns for quite some time if this is the only animal experience a person has how is it their fault they do not know?  We do not teach this stuff in school, just like laws and constitutions of the state and WAC and RCW is never taught in school :dunno: :dunno:

wildlife rehab typically if done correctly results in release back into the wild :dunno: :dunno:...

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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 08:51:55 PM »
So often I feel like time and effort are wasted in many of these types of attempts. Like the effort to find homes to hundreds of pound kitties and puppies. They spay them and spray them and get them all fixed up for adoption... Seems like wasted effort often IMHO. Pets would be more valuable to everyone if there were less of them and I often feel they should more quickly put them down in the animal shelter. Better to spend the money on education than trying to rescue wounded or injured animals with no home....

On the fawn front, it would seem like better money spent would be on advising the hunters the need for additional time spent whacking the predator population down. How many rescued and returned to the wild deer are they talking about? State wide in a year? How many?  Seems they could save a whole lot more deer by opening up additional spring bear permits, opening cougar season earlier or letting it run longer. Wolves?  :bash:  Nope, it is us stupid humans occasionally carrying a newborn deer that are the real problem.
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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2012, 08:55:35 PM »
 :yeah: :yeah:


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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2012, 09:01:04 PM »
It is a natural byproduct of wolf hugger, tree hugger anti-hunter types being in the WDFW
 
 

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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2012, 09:04:16 PM »
So often I feel like time and effort are wasted in many of these types of attempts. Like the effort to find homes to hundreds of pound kitties and puppies. They spay them and spray them and get them all fixed up for adoption... Seems like wasted effort often IMHO. Pets would be more valuable to everyone if there were less of them and I often feel they should more quickly put them down in the animal shelter. Better to spend the money on education than trying to rescue wounded or injured animals with no home....

On the fawn front, it would seem like better money spent would be on advising the hunters the need for additional time spent whacking the predator population down. How many rescued and returned to the wild deer are they talking about? State wide in a year? How many?  Seems they could save a whole lot more deer by opening up additional spring bear permits, opening cougar season earlier or letting it run longer. Wolves?  :bash:  Nope, it is us stupid humans occasionally carrying a newborn deer that are the real problem.

If it were me in the pound I'd bonk all them kitties, but I'd try to find a home for the dogs
 
just sayin
 
 
 
oh and for bears the spring hunt needs to just OTC tags, multiple up to 4 a year like how turkey tags are done.
Same for cougar.  4 a year over the counter tags, with pelt sealing requirements and GMU taken from.
 
 

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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2012, 09:11:22 PM »

If it were me in the pound I'd bonk all them kitties, but I'd try to find a home for the dogs
 
just sayin
 
 
 
oh and for bears the spring hunt needs to just OTC tags, multiple up to 4 a year like how turkey tags are done.
Same for cougar.  4 a year over the counter tags, with pelt sealing requirements and GMU taken from.
That would be great!

I do wonder how many of these fawns are neighborhood deer vs wild deer, though.

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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2012, 09:19:45 PM »
I agree Ice man. Big waste of time & money.  :twocents:
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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2012, 09:31:41 PM »
I don't want to give anyone any ideas, but back home picking up fawns without a good reason ( doe was hit by a car) will get you a ticket. That really got people to leave the wildlife alone. We also use dogs to hunt predators
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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2012, 09:55:09 PM »
Gee Iceman, are ya running out of legitimate stuff to complain about, or what? All I see is a news release put out by Fish & Wildlife to inform people that they don't need to "save" newborn fawns this time of year. I see absolutley no reason to bitch about this. They didn't spend any money, how much did it cost for someone to write this up? I doubt it cost anything, just an employee who was getting paid to be at work anyway. Anyone who has a desire to go out and hunt predators, will do so, they don't need to be told by Fish & Wildlife.


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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2012, 10:04:35 PM »
+agreed a little too, if folks are picking up fawns then ya - tell em to quit.
 
iceman is bitchin about how they wrote the article, and he's pissed there are no mention of predators killing fawns.
 
I'd wager a bet that for every 20,000 fawns killed, 1 was due to a human picking it up in the manner the article suggests, it is a waste of free internet font. 
 
AND if it was written by some state worker who's gotta be at work anyhow - perhaps its time for some scaling back hmm?
 
 

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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2012, 10:08:22 PM »
I guess I just don't get it. I can't find anything wrong with the way it was written.  :dunno:


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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2012, 11:06:40 PM »
First fawn I ever found (i was 7) I sure as hell didn't go try and pick it up..... I knew momma would be close by and maybe highly pissed.... My Dad agreed.....   Now trying to catch the baby birds.... That was different..... I'm guilty of way more then that as a youth.... 

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Re: Misinformed humans are a fawns real enemy...
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2012, 11:42:23 PM »
I guess I just don't get it. I can't find anything wrong with the way it was written.  :dunno:

Perhaps this is part of the problem:
 
http://wdfw.wa.gov/grants/wildlife_rehabilitators/index.html

     Short Grants   Many Gates to the Heart Rescue & Rehabilitation
Purchase food and supplies
Valley  $1,000.00   Northwest Wildlife Rehabilitation Center
Purchase food
Everson  $1,000.00   
Large Grants
   For Heaven’s Sake Animal Rescue Center
Construct deer enclosure; purchase food
Rochester/Tumwater   $14,700.00   Kiwani Wambli
Repair and reconstruct treatment and housing structures
Cusick  $20,503.00   Northeast Washington Wildlife Rehabilitation Society
Symposium attendance; operational and contract services
Collville  $9800.00   Progressive Animal Welfare Society (PAWS)
Renovate and improve black bear enclosures
Lynnwood  $29,000.00   Sarvey Wildlife Care Center
Fence swan/waterfowl pond enclosure; add protected area for waterfowl
Arlington  $7200.00   South Sound Critter Care
Replace flooring in rehabilitation room
Kent  $9100.00   West Sound Wildlife Shelter
Electric furnace and heat pump purchase and installation
Bainbridge Island  $10,000.00   TOTAL  $102,303.00

 


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