Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.

[Kola16]

what? Am i supposed to be afraid to post here?? LOL  SKY Hunter or whatever you call yourself here..Stop being a scrub, why dont we meet up and take care of it

Behind the School, bicycle racks, 3:10 PM

BE THERE!!


Sorry, thought I was back in grade school there for a minute 

If i thought he would show i would go lol..Dude is like a little troll, from the hiking board over to here..Ive never posted here and signed up like 3 months ago. He must of looked on here for me...

You know it shows your join date, and what boards you us 

[bobcat]

Do you know why the state or the feds ARE RESPONSIBLE.   Because they have LIED TO ALL OF US and continue to do so about the numbers of wolves out there.   Eventually all of their lies will be found out.   The hard way unfortunately.

Even if that is true, I don't see how that makes the government responsible. At least not the state government. You'd have a much easier time convincing me of that if you were talking about the federal government, who did transplant wolves into Idaho.

[pianoman9701]

Funny how those on the westside who expect us on the eastside to change our lifestyles to accomodate wolves don't want anything to do with wolves in their neighborhood. 

I don't expect you to change your lifestyle. All I said is it makes sense to keep dogs and cats inside at night, or in a kennel or fenced yard. I keep my dog in at night. We often have coyotes in my back yard just on the other side of my fence. So I keep my dog inside, even though we don't have wolves.

Now kids on the other hand, that's entirely different. I'd think it much less likely for a kid to be attacked by a wolf. Dogs and wolves, obviously are going to fight. That's only natural and is to be expected.

This isn't a human were talking about here. It's a dog. So lets stay on topic.

Bobcat, yes this is about our dogs, and our livestock, and our kids, and the poor old lady who testified at the Colville meeting that she is afraid to go outside because wolves are living close to her home. It's also about the young girl who nearly broke into tears beause her parents can't protect her goats and sheep against wolves.

I have owned hounds for almost 40 years and have never had to bring them into my home to keep them safe. I live on 32 acres a couple miles from Colville, we have seen moose, turkey, bear, deer, coyotes, and even a cougar on this place. Our hounds have been kept on a half acre portion of this acreage since we moved on this place about 25 years ago. Never have we worried about anything coming in and killing our entire family of dogs.

So let me get this straight Bobcat, you expect me to bring the 12 hounds and 1 bird dog in my home every night to keep them safe because you feel I am an unresponsible dog owner?

Specifically, I would like to know how that is not expecting my family to change our lifestyle because of wolves?

Are McIrvins supposed to bring their hundreds of cattle into their home at night? 

 

[boneaddict]

My point is, there is a new animal in town.  It is not a porcupine or a coyote as you seem to keep comparing it to. 

Your tax dollars are already at work, when they removed responsible hunters from being able to hound hunt.  How much do you think these guys contracted with the state to chase cougars, who attack Fido cost? 

How much does a apple tree eating elk cost you? 

Put wolves on the same vermin list as porcupines and coyotes and then we can talk.  Does that answer your question of why I might think someone should be responsible.     Probably not.  Hell, maybe youd rather tax dollars being spent to FRY locals who do know how to take care of the problem. 

[bearpaw]

If you would support Kretz's bill you could share in the love? 

Dale, if my dog was hurt by a wolf I wouldn't go crying to the state, asking for them to cover the vet bill. I guarantee that.

OK that's fine, nobody is saying you have to ask for your vet bills to be paid. 

Let me tell a little wolf story....
Myself and quite a few other people in the western U.S. didn't want any more wolves. Sure we've seen sign of the occasional wolf through the years but we never had packs that came in and killed our livestock or attacked dogs on our porches. But, we were told by the USFWS in 1995 that wolves were being introduced from Canada but they would be managed to have 10 BP's in each of three states or roughly 300 wolves across the three states of Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. We were trustingly told that wolves would not have an impact on our wildlife and livestock predation would be dealt with.

Fast forward 18 Years
Next thing we know ID/MT/WY are harvesting more wolves each year than were supposed to exist altogether, yet the wolf population is still growing and spreading into neighboring states. There is a wolf plan in Washington (a state that is 4 or 5 times smaller than ID/MT/WY) which specifies we must have half as many wolves (15 BP's) as that much larger multi state area.

A few more important details...
Most of the people and the head office of the Fish & Wolf Dept who all want 15 BP's all live in western Washington where there are no wolves. The wolf plan reads that before wolves can be managed in eastern WA there must be wolves throughout the state and specifically so many wolves in each portion of the state. The logic used was that we need to protect wolves until they are in all parts of the state. Obviously the wolf lovers really want all the wolves to live so wolves can eventually colonize the entire state and we can all live with the wolves happily ever after.

Now the good part....
Representative Kretz introduces a wolf lovers perfect bill, a chance for the people of western Washington to share in the wolf love, eastern WA actually offers to give up a few of our beloved wolves and transplant them to western Washington, this is no different than when the wolf lovers supported the USFWS to transplant wolves to ID/MT/WY. Wolf lovers are expected to be seen cheering in the streets throughout western Washington.

Wait for it, wait for it....
Sadly to the disappointment of the humble and trusting people of Eastern WA, ID, MT, and WY, the wolf lovers in Western WA don't want the wolves, they really do not want to live with the wolves at all. 

They want everyone else to live with the wolves. 

Moral of the story...
The moral of the story is that if we humble people of E WA have to live with these, cowkilling dogkilling land sharks, just so the wolf lovers can feel touchy feely good that wolves are frolicking with the butterflies, then the fricken self centered wolf lovers can step up and pay our vet bills.... 

Story book closed, stepping away from the rocking chair...

[Boss .300 winmag]

 

[bobcat]

Boneaddict,

No, still didn't answer the question.

Maybe I should ask, do you think the state can AFFORD to compensate every single person who has any kind of wildlife damage done to their property?

I don't. Whether it's elk, deer, bears, cougars, or wolves. People need to take care if themselves and not rely on the government for everything.

And if a wolf is in your yard killing your cat, chicken, goat, dog, or whatever, shoot the damn thing! Don't tell me the government said you couldn't do that. The government won't know unless you tell someone.

[CementFinisher]

Bobcat STOP doing that, no one is making the arguement that all depredation needs to be compensated. Wolves are different because they are protected. Also because even our evil feds took the protections off the wolf in the eatern third of the state, yet the state keeps them prtected.

[bearpaw]

Part of the wolf agreement and the promise from the wolf lovers is that livestock damage would be compensated. 

[bobcat]

Part of the wolf agreement and the promise from the wolf lovers is that livestock damage would be compensated. 

Livestock I can understand. Pets, not so much. Who's paying for this anyway? The wolf lovers? Or the taxpayers?

[Curly]

I'm curious.......let's say it was a grizzly bear instead of a wolf.  What would the difference be?   

[bobcat]

I'm curious.......let's say it was a grizzly bear instead of a wolf.  What would the difference be?   

Difference is the dog would be dead.

[Curly]

    besides that....... 

[h20hunter]

Lot more work to bury the bear.

[MR5x5]

So why not drop a pair into Magnuson Park?  Pretty straight forward, because it would be to dangerous to the local population and their pets.  So why isn't the same consideration afforded to the folks in rural areas?

This guy from the west side says relocate a bunch to the west side and bring this thing to a head.