UPDATE: Sheriffs sue over COLORADO gun laws

[Dan-o]

THIS boycott seems completely WRONG to me.

If this boycott is successful, the people it will hurt most are on our side!!!!

Sure, the entire economy would take a small hit.   But the hunting economy would take a huge beating.   Archery shop owners, gun shop owners, outfitters and guides would pay the price for this.....   THEY ARE NOT TO BLAME.

This is like kicking your brother in the nuts because he lives on the same block as a rapist.

This boycott paints with way too broad a brush.

What we SHOULD do, is go after the anti-2A folks who perpetrated this.   Find out which state reps and legislators voted for it.  Find out what their small family owned business is and BOYCOTT THAT.   DO DAMAGE TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE DAMAGE!!!!

This reminds of how THEY behave......   Some criminal minded whack job shoots up a school or theater.   How do they react?   Take away from the good folks by infringing on their rights.   We complain about that all the time - rightly so.    Don't do the same to innocent small business owners who happen to live in Colorado.   We're better than that.

Now, where did I miss the mark?   

[bobcat]

Now, where did I miss the mark?   

You hit the bullseye!   

[WSU]

I think you missed the mark because the state representatives aren't going to notice your version of a boycott.  Most state reps (at least in our state) are not people who have business subject to boycott.  When I worked at the senate, there were lots of cops, farmers, etc. from whatever district.  How are you going to boycott a cop?  Or a farmer?  Or a soccer mom?

[Noiro]

I feel all we have is our pocketbook to control politicians. All they know is money. Take away the money and they learn very quickly. I feel so helpless. I feel my votes count for nothing. All I can do is take my cash to the people who feel the same about things as I do. The inmates are running the shop now.

THIS boycott seems completely WRONG to me. Now, where did I miss the mark?   

[WSU]

Here you go: http://www.leg.state.co.us/Clics/Clics2011A/csl.nsf/DirectoryHou?openframeset

Not a lot of businesses amenable to boycott.

[33 Winchester]

Boycotts sound like a good idea but there are problems.

First, they hurt folks who are not at fault, including your friends.

Second, they rarely work.  How many effective boycotts have you seen?  A boycott requires leadership and organization.  It has to be run like a campaign.  The posts on this topic suggest ambivalence in our own group.

Third, if a boycott is successful enough to attract any public attention it frequently stimulates an antibody.  Folks who favor the firearm restrictions can make a point of visiting Colorado and spreading their money around. 

I'm not saying a boycott is a bad idea, just that it requires cool consideration and consultation with folks who have actually organized a successful, substantial boycott.

[Dan-o]

I think you missed the mark because the state representatives aren't going to notice your version of a boycott.  Most state reps (at least in our state) are not people who have business subject to boycott.  When I worked at the senate, there were lots of cops, farmers, etc. from whatever district.  How are you going to boycott a cop?  Or a farmer?  Or a soccer mom?

I get that doing damage to each of them would be difficult - impossible in some cases.

But that's no good reason to do damage to our friends and allies.  And that's exactly what this boycott would do. the people to bleed first and most would be the gun shop owners, archery shop owners, guides and outfitters.    How could you possibly be OK with putting some of those folks out of business because some OTHER people did something wrong?

I think my original analogy stands........   And bringing your brother to his knees in excruciating pain won't stop the rapist down the block.

Put yourself in this hypothetical:   Your a 2A advocate.   You invest your life savings in a gun shop in Colorado, and you're barely squeaking by because it's tough all over.  Your elected state leaders do something incredibly wrong.   Your clientele decides to put you out of business as a result.

Does that seem ok to you?

It's like you're willing to kill an innocent person in order to do some modest damage to the real culprit.

That's just not right.

[iusmc2002]

THIS boycott seems completely WRONG to me.

If this boycott is successful, the people it will hurt most are on our side!!!!

Sure, the entire economy would take a small hit.   But the hunting economy would take a huge beating.   Archery shop owners, gun shop owners, outfitters and guides would pay the price for this.....   THEY ARE NOT TO BLAME.

This is like kicking your brother in the nuts because he lives on the same block as a rapist.

This boycott paints with way too broad a brush.

What we SHOULD do, is go after the anti-2A folks who perpetrated this.   Find out which state reps and legislators voted for it.  Find out what their small family owned business is and BOYCOTT THAT.   DO DAMAGE TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE DAMAGE!!!!

This reminds of how THEY behave......   Some criminal minded whack job shoots up a school or theater.   How do they react?   Take away from the good folks by infringing on their rights.   We complain about that all the time - rightly so.    Don't do the same to innocent small business owners who happen to live in Colorado.   We're better than that.

Now, where did I miss the mark?   

How is supporting the mom and pop stores/outlets going to do ANYTHING to get those rights back?  By hitting the mom and pop shops, and ANY other business in the state, and letting them know exactly WHY you're doing it, is where it's going to hit the politicians.  It's going to hurt.  Someone is going to get hit.  Either you continue to give your money to places that agree or disagree on gun control, or you stop giving them your money and they say "Hey, holy *censored*, these wack-jobs in power are REALLY causing us to hurt, economically."  Once the outfits in CO realize that these idiots in power are hurting their pocketbooks, the people that put them in power are going to start hurting THEIR pocketbooks.  Money is the only thing that todays supposed "reps of the people" understand.  When they're getting it, they think they're doing a good job.  When they aren't getting it, they'll realize that some things need to change.  I wish I had the money to wave it at some hunting outfitters in that state and then call them back with a "Thanks anyway" message, and let the know why it is I won't give them, or their state, my money.

[Dan-o]

I feel all we have is our pocketbook to control politicians. All they know is money. Take away the money and they learn very quickly. I feel so helpless. I feel my votes count for nothing. All I can do is take my cash to the people who feel the same about things as I do. The inmates are running the shop now.

THIS boycott seems completely WRONG to me. Now, where did I miss the mark?   

I agree and I share your frustration.   These law makers have done a despicable thing.....   I would LOVE to see them punished.

I just don't want to see innocent small business that see eye-to-eye with us paying the brunt of the price.

[iusmc2002]

I think you missed the mark because the state representatives aren't going to notice your version of a boycott.  Most state reps (at least in our state) are not people who have business subject to boycott.  When I worked at the senate, there were lots of cops, farmers, etc. from whatever district.  How are you going to boycott a cop?  Or a farmer?  Or a soccer mom?

I get that doing damage to each of them would be difficult - impossible in some cases.

But that's no good reason to do damage to our friends and allies.  And that's exactly what this boycott would do. the people to bleed first and most would be the gun shop owners, archery shop owners, guides and outfitters.    How could you possibly be OK with putting some of those folks out of business because some OTHER people did something wrong?

I think my original analogy stands........   And bringing your brother to his knees in excruciating pain won't stop the rapist down the block.

Put yourself in this hypothetical:   Your a 2A advocate.   You invest your life savings in a gun shop in Colorado, and you're barely squeaking by because it's tough all over.  Your elected state leaders do something incredibly wrong.   Your clientele decides to put you out of business as a result.

Does that seem ok to you?

It's like you're willing to kill an innocent person in order to do some modest damage to the real culprit.

That's just not right.

Colorado has sales tax.  By purchasing anything that can be taxed in that state, you're giving their GOVERNMENT your money.

And, no, it doesn't seem ok.  But it's not ok for them to enact the laws they just did.  NY has already started to set precedence in the gun-control arena.  CO took more steps.  What state is next?  By denying them your dollars, your voice will be heard MUCH more loudly than any other way.

[Dan-o]

THIS boycott seems completely WRONG to me.

If this boycott is successful, the people it will hurt most are on our side!!!!

Sure, the entire economy would take a small hit.   But the hunting economy would take a huge beating.   Archery shop owners, gun shop owners, outfitters and guides would pay the price for this.....   THEY ARE NOT TO BLAME.

This is like kicking your brother in the nuts because he lives on the same block as a rapist.

This boycott paints with way too broad a brush.

What we SHOULD do, is go after the anti-2A folks who perpetrated this.   Find out which state reps and legislators voted for it.  Find out what their small family owned business is and BOYCOTT THAT.   DO DAMAGE TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE DAMAGE!!!!

This reminds of how THEY behave......   Some criminal minded whack job shoots up a school or theater.   How do they react?   Take away from the good folks by infringing on their rights.   We complain about that all the time - rightly so.    Don't do the same to innocent small business owners who happen to live in Colorado.   We're better than that.

Now, where did I miss the mark?   

How is supporting the mom and pop stores/outlets going to do ANYTHING to get those rights back?  By hitting the mom and pop shops, and ANY other business in the state, and letting them know exactly WHY you're doing it, is where it's going to hit the politicians.  It's going to hurt.  Someone is going to get hit.  Either you continue to give your money to places that agree or disagree on gun control, or you stop giving them your money and they say "Hey, holy *censored*, these wack-jobs in power are REALLY causing us to hurt, economically."  Once the outfits in CO realize that these idiots in power are hurting their pocketbooks, the people that put them in power are going to start hurting THEIR pocketbooks.  Money is the only thing that todays supposed "reps of the people" understand.  When they're getting it, they think they're doing a good job.  When they aren't getting it, they'll realize that some things need to change.  I wish I had the money to wave it at some hunting outfitters in that state and then call them back with a "Thanks anyway" message, and let the know why it is I won't give them, or their state, my money.

OK, so when someone completely screws you over because of what someone else did, you'll feel ok about it.......   right?

Screwing someone else over because someone screwed you over is not ok.

Again, punish those responsible.

[Dan-o]

So, following the prevailing crowd logic, lets turn a corner....

Look at the owner and most sponsors of this board.   Small businesses trying to eek out a living in the hunting industry.   Some great little businesses sponsor this board....

So, if some horrible whack job runs a terrible bill through our state legislature, should we take out our revenge on this site owner and the sponsors?   NO!   I say that's ludicrous......


Killing innocent people because you're mad is still wrong......   If that's not clear to you, just trade positions and it should be cleared right up.

[huntnphool]

THIS boycott seems completely WRONG to me.

If this boycott is successful, the people it will hurt most are on our side!!!!

Sure, the entire economy would take a small hit.   But the hunting economy would take a huge beating.   Archery shop owners, gun shop owners, outfitters and guides would pay the price for this.....   THEY ARE NOT TO BLAME.

This is like kicking your brother in the nuts because he lives on the same block as a rapist.

This boycott paints with way too broad a brush.

What we SHOULD do, is go after the anti-2A folks who perpetrated this.   Find out which state reps and legislators voted for it.  Find out what their small family owned business is and BOYCOTT THAT.   DO DAMAGE TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE DAMAGE!!!!

This reminds of how THEY behave......   Some criminal minded whack job shoots up a school or theater.   How do they react?   Take away from the good folks by infringing on their rights.   We complain about that all the time - rightly so.    Don't do the same to innocent small business owners who happen to live in Colorado.   We're better than that.

Now, where did I miss the mark?   

How is supporting the mom and pop stores/outlets going to do ANYTHING to get those rights back?  By hitting the mom and pop shops, and ANY other business in the state, and letting them know exactly WHY you're doing it, is where it's going to hit the politicians.  It's going to hurt.  Someone is going to get hit.  Either you continue to give your money to places that agree or disagree on gun control, or you stop giving them your money and they say "Hey, holy *censored*, these wack-jobs in power are REALLY causing us to hurt, economically."  Once the outfits in CO realize that these idiots in power are hurting their pocketbooks, the people that put them in power are going to start hurting THEIR pocketbooks.  Money is the only thing that todays supposed "reps of the people" understand.  When they're getting it, they think they're doing a good job.  When they aren't getting it, they'll realize that some things need to change.  I wish I had the money to wave it at some hunting outfitters in that state and then call them back with a "Thanks anyway" message, and let the know why it is I won't give them, or their state, my money.

OK, so when someone completely screws you over because of what someone else did, you'll feel ok about it.......   right?

Screwing someone else over because someone screwed you over is not ok.

Again, punish those responsible.

Its the majority of those people in that state that put those politicians in office. The only way they understand the impact of their vote is for them to feel it as well.

Maybe now one of those gun owners will try to explain a little better, the impact, to their friends that voted for these idiots. If you have a friend that voted for someone that potentially effected your income/life wouldn't you do your best to explain the impact to your frined? If your friend still voted that way would you continue to support his business when he clearly doesn't care about you?

[Bob33]

Stop buying anything in Washington. We have Patty Murray and several other very anti-gun politicians.

[huntnphool]

So, if some horrible whack job runs a terrible bill through our state legislature, should we take out our revenge on this site owner and the sponsors?   NO!   I say that's ludicrous......

If he voted for the idiot in office that sponsored that bill you bet your ass!!!!