gun confiscation going on now in connecticut

[pianoman9701]

Special conditions ?   Which ones would those be?

What I'm saying is that a judge requires a higher standard to search someone's home than to arrest them on the street or to stop and search their car before he'll issue a warrant.

[Crunchy]

Special conditions ?   Which ones would those be?

What I'm saying is that a judge requires a higher standard to search someone's home than to arrest them on the street or to stop and search their car before he'll issue a warrant.

Nope all three are based on probable cause.  Obviously there are exceptions. 

[pianoman9701]

Special conditions ?   Which ones would those be?

What I'm saying is that a judge requires a higher standard to search someone's home than to arrest them on the street or to stop and search their car before he'll issue a warrant.

Nope all three are based on probable cause.  Obviously there are exceptions.

Why don't you read the Ferrier decision. It doesn't sound like you have. They specifically said in that decision that a person's private domicile is subject to the greatest protections under the 4th Amendment.

[Crunchy]

I've read it, but it is still based on probable cause.   Nothing special about it.

[JLS]

Special conditions ?   Which ones would those be?

What I'm saying is that a judge requires a higher standard to search someone's home than to arrest them on the street or to stop and search their car before he'll issue a warrant.

Nope all three are based on probable cause.  Obviously there are exceptions.

Why don't you read the Ferrier decision. It doesn't sound like you have. They specifically said in that decision that a person's private domicile is subject to the greatest protections under the 4th Amendment.

Both arrest warrants and search warrants are based on probable cause, so there is no higher burden of proof for a search warrant than an arrest warrant.

[pianoman9701]

Special conditions ?   Which ones would those be?

What I'm saying is that a judge requires a higher standard to search someone's home than to arrest them on the street or to stop and search their car before he'll issue a warrant.

Nope all three are based on probable cause.  Obviously there are exceptions.

Why don't you read the Ferrier decision. It doesn't sound like you have. They specifically said in that decision that a person's private domicile is subject to the greatest protections under the 4th Amendment.

Both arrest warrants and search warrants are based on probable cause, so there is no higher burden of proof for a search warrant than an arrest warrant.

Did you read the Ferrier decision?

[pianoman9701]

I've read it, but it is still based on probable cause.   Nothing special about it.

It says right in the decision that particular care is taken to preserve our rights under the 4th with regards to our own homes.

[JLS]

Special conditions ?   Which ones would those be?

What I'm saying is that a judge requires a higher standard to search someone's home than to arrest them on the street or to stop and search their car before he'll issue a warrant.

Nope all three are based on probable cause.  Obviously there are exceptions.

Why don't you read the Ferrier decision. It doesn't sound like you have. They specifically said in that decision that a person's private domicile is subject to the greatest protections under the 4th Amendment.

Both arrest warrants and search warrants are based on probable cause, so there is no higher burden of proof for a search warrant than an arrest warrant.

Did you read the Ferrier decision?

I sure have, and I can assure you that a search warrant for a home is based upon probable cause that evidence of a crime is located in that home.

[pianoman9701]

You win. It doesn't make any difference, anyway. 

This thread is about some poor guy made poorer by the fact that he didn't know his rights. I have only a little pity for citizens of the US who don't know their rights and are abused by the system as a result.

[Crunchy]

Don't be a sore loser 

[pianoman9701]

Don't be a sore loser 

It's an inane argument and serves no purpose at all. I was simply pointing out what was stated in the decision.

[JLS]

You win. It doesn't make any difference, anyway. 

I win what?  Call your local prosecutor's office and ask them

Kind of hypocritical you deride someone for not knowing their legal rights and then try to refute the elements legally needed for a search warrant.

[pianoman9701]

You win. It doesn't make any difference, anyway. 

I win what?  Call your local prosecutor's office and ask them

Kind of hypocritical you deride someone for not knowing their legal rights and then try to refute the elements legally needed for a search warrant.

OK, I'm a hypocrite.

[NoImpactNoIdea]

Ferrier is the knock and talk ruling. If the police come to your house and say they've had some sort of a complaint - no warrant - and would like to come in, they're also supposed to tell you that you don't have to let them.

Its actually even more restrictive than that.  The homeowner can limit the scope of the search and revoke consent at any time.

. Any time they knock and talk without a warrant means that they've either attempted to get one and failed or know right from the get go they don't have enough to get one.

This is not entirely true.  Often during preliminary investigations or to rule out a suspect a knock and talk will take place before applying for a warrant.  Its a lot of leg work when you are pretty sure you arent going to find anything.

[csaaphill]

Ok thanks Piano. ya told everyone here to never let a cop in no matter what they say. no warrant no entry. THis poor guy is going through hell and this will only get worse I feel.