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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2019, 09:20:57 AM »
Just so everyone knows, conservation NW has taken out Facebook marketing ads (paid ads) and is targeting people asking them to send canned emails to WDFW.  Sample emails can be taken from their website.

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/take-action-for-washington-wolves/?fbclid=IwAR30Kr_glYBu8n4qAPaBSuxjTV5nmQzjFDoM2K522AMKF_dRFxP4_Q-rawE

Is there an effective way this can be passed on to wdfw in order to discredit con nw ???

I wouldn't think so. They are just trying to get the word out to people that think like them. In the end the people still have to submit their emails

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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2019, 09:28:47 AM »
When I submitted my comments I said something like this:

WA should follow in Idaho's footsets. To think that WA can start from scratch and come up with a superior plan for wolves, would be to discredit all the effort and ideas that Idaho's game department has already come up with. Why should WA game dept. waste their monetary resources creating something that has already been implemented successfully? Why are we reinventing the wheel? In my eyes the plan's framework is already done, WA just need to adapt it to our state boundaries.

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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2019, 01:34:17 PM »
Just so everyone knows, conservation NW has taken out Facebook marketing ads (paid ads) and is targeting people asking them to send canned emails to WDFW.  Sample emails can be taken from their website.

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/take-action-for-washington-wolves/

Is there an effective way this can be passed on to wdfw in order to discredit con nw ???

How would this standard communications practice discredit anyone? Just about anyone with a page can run boosted Facebook posts or ads. CNW spent twenty bucks on this boosted post (literally, $20), and targeted Washington residents. This isn't Russian hacking.

I'd be far more concerned about the actual fringe groups from Arizona, Oregon and Maryland suing WDFW to stop wolf culls after chronic cattle depredations, lobbying state legislators and the Governor, scheming about a citizen's initiative in 2020 to ban all wolf killing, and already trying to move the wolf recovery goal posts.

They arn't even trying to hide that crap, and neither are the Lands Council in Spokane:
https://mailchi.mp/landscouncil/post-recovery-wolf-comments
https://cascadiawildlands.salsalabs.org/enews-september-2019_copy1_copy1_copy1
https://act.biologicaldiversity.org/onlineactions/_e4y7pDDNUWB0T3P8j8TQg2


Having at least one alternative in WDFW's post-recovery wolf EIS that does not include general or OTC wolf hunting seasons will be essential to avoid lawsuits from those groups, and so as not to provide easy fuel that ignites the initiative or state legislation they already want to run. That doesn't mean such an alternative would be selected after the two to three year process. 

CNW's comments use the term general hunting for a reason. We hunters might also note the language about supporting ungulate population health. You wont see that from any of the other wildlife .orgs:

"Now, it’s time to build on this work to help WDFW and the Fish and Wildlife Commission craft a new Wolf Plan that supports a resilient population and acceptance for wolves across rural communities.

Many of Washington’s elk and deer herds are in decline, especially populations on the eastern slopes of the Cascades and in the Kettle Range due to habitat fragmentation, recent large fires and severe winters. It will be important for the state and partners to dedicate time and resources to understanding what’s needed to restore healthy ungulate populations, which are vital for predators like wolves as well as for people who depend on them for subsistence, recreation and natural and cultural heritage—from Native American nations to other hunter-conservationists."


Like, CNW, hate CNW, doesn't really matter. But there's a strategy here, and it's not to screw over hunters or deer and elk.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2019, 01:40:44 PM by CGDucksandDeer »

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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2019, 03:17:18 PM »
Just so everyone knows, conservation NW has taken out Facebook marketing ads (paid ads) and is targeting people asking them to send canned emails to WDFW.  Sample emails can be taken from their website.

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/take-action-for-washington-wolves/

Is there an effective way this can be passed on to wdfw in order to discredit con nw ???

How would this standard communications practice discredit anyone? Just about anyone with a page can run boosted Facebook posts or ads. CNW spent twenty bucks on this boosted post (literally, $20), and targeted Washington residents. This isn't Russian hacking.

I'd be far more concerned about the actual fringe groups from Arizona, Oregon and Maryland suing WDFW to stop wolf culls after chronic cattle depredations, lobbying state legislators and the Governor, scheming about a citizen's initiative in 2020 to ban all wolf killing, and already trying to move the wolf recovery goal posts.

They arn't even trying to hide that crap, and neither are the Lands Council in Spokane:
https://mailchi.mp/landscouncil/post-recovery-wolf-comments
https://cascadiawildlands.salsalabs.org/enews-september-2019_copy1_copy1_copy1
https://act.biologicaldiversity.org/onlineactions/_e4y7pDDNUWB0T3P8j8TQg2


Having at least one alternative in WDFW's post-recovery wolf EIS that does not include general or OTC wolf hunting seasons will be essential to avoid lawsuits from those groups, and so as not to provide easy fuel that ignites the initiative or state legislation they already want to run. That doesn't mean such an alternative would be selected after the two to three year process. 

CNW's comments use the term general hunting for a reason. We hunters might also note the language about supporting ungulate population health. You wont see that from any of the other wildlife .orgs:

"Now, it’s time to build on this work to help WDFW and the Fish and Wildlife Commission craft a new Wolf Plan that supports a resilient population and acceptance for wolves across rural communities.

Many of Washington’s elk and deer herds are in decline, especially populations on the eastern slopes of the Cascades and in the Kettle Range due to habitat fragmentation, recent large fires and severe winters. It will be important for the state and partners to dedicate time and resources to understanding what’s needed to restore healthy ungulate populations, which are vital for predators like wolves as well as for people who depend on them for subsistence, recreation and natural and cultural heritage—from Native American nations to other hunter-conservationists."


Like, CNW, hate CNW, doesn't really matter. But there's a strategy here, and it's not to screw over hunters or deer and elk.
I've struggled with whether there's any real chance of wolf hunting seasons in this state given the political landscape...and I think you just highlighted an angle that would play very well for garnering political support for wolf hunting. 

Ungulate population health/abundance is critical to upholding the treaties of Native American Tribes who hunt deer and elk across this state.  Where wolves are disproportionately effecting ungulate abundance, hunting seasons are necessary to protect those treaty resources.  The state can protect these treaty resources AND generate revenue by providing managed wolf hunting seasons.

So now, the majority liberal politicians in this state are put in a much tougher box...by not supporting wolf hunting seasons they are indirectly attacking Native American Tribes who hunt ungulates...and those Tribes are politically powerful.

Coming on the heels of a de-facto loss in the Supreme Court for impacting treaty resources (salmon) in the culverts case...WA politicians might be even more inclined to support wolf hunting to ensure they do not create another avenue for Tribes to sue them in an expensive way...probably grasping at straws a bit on the success of a potential lawsuit, but its not completely out of the question.

   
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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2019, 07:40:30 PM »
Thank you and DONE! I hope more of the the folks on this forum submit as well!

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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2019, 09:05:21 AM »
Submitted. Thank you for posting the link.

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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2019, 11:14:24 AM »
Submitted and passed on to others to post as well.
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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2019, 07:44:47 AM »

http://www.ifiberone.com/news/regional_news/public-comment-on-gray-wolf-management-plan-extended/article_874e3b50-fc0c-11e9-afc1-4f86a0459eef.html

According to news the comment period has been extended to November 15th.                                                                                                                                                                                 
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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2019, 08:42:09 AM »
must be getting a LOT of input,  and not all of it ours,  probably not even 25% of the comments are from hunters


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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2019, 12:46:35 PM »
Yes, extended, keep them coming, call your friends!!!

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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2019, 03:21:42 PM »
Given that no state with recovered wolves has ever had an issue with conservation/preservation of wolves even with extremely liberal hunting seasons, the WDFW should have ample evidence at their disposal to combat any of the crazies that argue a hunting season will be a conservation concern.

Some points folks could consider making:
-Well managed wolf hunting seasons in surrounding states has not resulted in any conservation concerns for the species.  Most of these nearby states have very liberal hunting seasons (long seasons, multiple tags)
-Public hunting increases support and social tolerance for wolf management and conservation in communities and constituencies most affected by wolf recovery
-Wolves should be managed as game animals just the same as other large predators in WA state (e.g., bears and cougars) which are currently thriving
-Public hunting of wolves provides another tool for wildlife managers to address areas where wolves are a limiting factor to other species
-Public hunting of wolves will provide additional revenue for responsible wolf management and conservation

great suggestions  :tup:


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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2019, 03:42:26 PM »
When I submitted my comments I said something like this:

WA should follow in Idaho's footsets. To think that WA can start from scratch and come up with a superior plan for wolves, would be to discredit all the effort and ideas that Idaho's game department has already come up with. Why should WA game dept. waste their monetary resources creating something that has already been implemented successfully? Why are we reinventing the wheel? In my eyes the plan's framework is already done, WA just need to adapt it to our state boundaries.
   

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Re: Post recovery Wolf management comment period
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2019, 03:43:35 PM »
I don’t know if they care about out of stater opinions but I sent one in

 


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