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Offline Everydaylimits

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Check out this video to see the difference between the Winchester shells and Black cloud. What shells do you prefer?


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Two things he didn't address 1) what was the black coating on the Winchester pellets?  I assume Winchester (or whoever made them for Winchester) applied a coating to make the pellets appear black.  2)how well are the cases sealed in case the ammo gets dunked in water.  Don't want the pellets rusting or clumping together if the end of the case isn't sealed.

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I'm gonna assume that 3.5" #2s, we are talking a goose load. Both have irregular shot so they are very similar. BC is by no means premium, just gimmicky. But they do work, no better than regular steel. I'd jump ahead to actual premium tungsten.

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Neither. 

Black Cloud is a gimmick.  The belt you see on Black Cloud is on all steel shot when it's stamped.  To get round shot it takes more finishing.

Winchester markets some of the cheapest and crappiest steel on the shelves.  Quality shot costs more.  The "black soot" is graphite.  Probably added to make those pellets with Kling-Ons feed through the loading equipment.

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No mention of powder either. I've had issues with Winchester gunking up my guns from powder residue.  :dunno:

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As someone who has shot A LOT of Black Cloud, I can tell you this.  It has had more one shot kills for me than any other STEEL shot has on the market.  I've tried them all.  No it isn't going to have the killing range and knockdown power of your super metals, but in my observations it is no gimmick.  I don't get to waterfowl hunt near as much as I used to, but when I do get out I shoot Black Cloud shells.  FYI, I have no affiliation with them, just a fan from experience. By no means am I saying that you can't go and kill birds dead with Kent or Winchester or Estate, or whatever else brand you find on the shelves.  Good hunting.

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As someone who has shot A LOT of Black Cloud, I can tell you this.  It has had more one shot kills for me than any other STEEL shot has on the market.  I've tried them all.  No it isn't going to have the killing range and knockdown power of your super metals, but in my observations it is no gimmick.  I don't get to waterfowl hunt near as much as I used to, but when I do get out I shoot Black Cloud shells.  FYI, I have no affiliation with them, just a fan from experience. By no means am I saying that you can't go and kill birds dead with Kent or Winchester or Estate, or whatever else brand you find on the shelves.  Good hunting.

That's good to know.     :tup:

I've been getting back into waterfowl hunting the last couple years.

I don't mind paying more if it actually makes a difference.
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I've had better luck with Blind Side over Black Cloud. Have seen where the Blind Side wads stick in the barrel (twice). Bought a case of Black Cloud by the time I got home the box was rattling, four of the boxes (25) were over crimped and all the shot fell out. It took almost a year to get any action from Federal. I do just as well with Winchester White box or Federal Blue box shells.  :twocents:
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I've had better luck with Blind Side over Black Cloud. Have seen where the Blind Side wads stick in the barrel (twice). Bought a case of Black Cloud by the time I got home the box was rattling, four of the boxes (25) were over crimped and all the shot fell out. It took almost a year to get any action from Federal. I do just as well with Winchester White box or Federal Blue box shells.  :twocents:
Strange on the crimps and the shot falling out.  I've gone through probably 27-30 cases of Black Cloud in both 3" & 3 1/2" #2 and BB combined and never had an issue like that.

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Question to the OP, are you seeking a gun/load combo for waterfowling? If so, let us know some background- experience, region hunted. Many years of bird hunting experience on this site that can really get you dialed in. For instance, I hunt an expansive piece of public land that requires a boat for the best spots. I've been able to pattern the birds over 30 years. All my shooting is less than 25yds, so my cheap Estate 20ga #4s will hammer anything I shoot.

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I'm going to agree with fowl smacker.

I don't think it is a gimmick. I can get a 60 yard pattern with Black Cloud which is what they advertise.

I'd be fine shooting turkeys with it.

The real difference is in the flight control wad.

For close up I'd use something that costs less. But I never pay full price anyways. Easy to find it on sale off season.

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The Flite Stopper wad is no gimmick.  It keeps the shot together much further than a conventional wad.  Have any of you guys put those Flite Control wads on paper at 20 yards?

I just came in from killing a coyote with 12 gauge Federal Flite Control wads and HW15 BB's.  Laser range finder confirmed the distance at 111 yards.  I know that's not normal shotgun range.  However it is my home defense setup and thus was at hand when the booger ran across the back yard while I was getting out of the shower.

If you are happy with Black Cloud  :tup:   IMHO it is marketing genius to sell unfinished shot at a premium price.  If it takes a super dupper wad to keep that inferior shot to stay together,  :dunno:.  Same thing can be done with some nice round #1 steel in a Federal economy blue box.   

 


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