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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2021, 08:27:49 PM »
Do you have any data for trained personnel on the amount of hits in a high stress situation?

Yeah, tons of police data out there which is probably a pretty good estimate although I could argue their numbers are higher than with bears since they are mostly aware of the threat and keyed in for much longer than a bear busting out of the brush and surprising you.  If I remember right, police hits are about 15%, that's a hit on any part of the body.  Hits on a brain or spinal cord, well that's why guys are carrying 10 mm, several more tickets in the lottery of life.  Unload at short range and hope it's not your day.

It's the problem with bears, sure you can hit it and it will die in a few minutes to a few hours later but that's an awfully long time to get chewed on.


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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2021, 09:02:37 PM »
I definitely think most combat trained soldiers and sailors maybe not have a higher percentage of hits, but would have a much higher percentage of kills.
Most are trained to shoot and advance, that also provides suppression fire until you get hits.

Unless they are constantly training like in navy seals I really doubt they are any better.

I honestly think better handgun shooters are born with the ability to keep cool.

I grew up around sailors and I would bet on backwoods rednecks any day.

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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2021, 10:54:43 PM »
The worst is having the gear, but never creating muscle memory and scenario solutions for your brain to follow through with, so you either stand there like a tard, run away, or claw at your clothing, backpack strap, or pull on your bino harness in a febble untrained attempt at getting your gun out. 

Its not innate courage, its having the programming and muscle memory already in place to deal with the threat. Essentially, you don't have time for courage, only action.

I completely agree that you need to practice with the gear you have. That's a very good point. 

But innate courage is a factor and why it has been a valued trait by various societies. There are endless stories about people choking in combat and forgetting their training. I don't think you can train everyone to react the same in a high pressure situation. The military hasn't been able to do that.

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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2021, 07:14:55 AM »
The worst is having the gear, but never creating muscle memory and scenario solutions for your brain to follow through with, so you either stand there like a tard, run away, or claw at your clothing, backpack strap, or pull on your bino harness in a febble untrained attempt at getting your gun out. 

Its not innate courage, its having the programming and muscle memory already in place to deal with the threat. Essentially, you don't have time for courage, only action.

I completely agree that you need to practice with the gear you have. That's a very good point. 

But innate courage is a factor and why it has been a valued trait by various societies. There are endless stories about people choking in combat and forgetting their training. I don't think you can train everyone to react the same in a high pressure situation. The military hasn't been able to do that.

An innteresting read is from Ammoland in 2020. It lists 93 confirmed bear attacks were a handgun was use. They claim a 97% success rate with handguns and it doesn't sound like everybody was trained or using an "adequate"calibers
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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2021, 01:22:11 PM »
It probably goes without saying that you can practice all you want shooting at a charging soccer ball all you want, but when the rubber hits the road and thereís a bear/pig/lion coming for you, itís a different ball game.

I used the soccer ball as an example.  It won't approach in a flat straight course.  You are trying to connect with a moving object.

I was also just using it as an example. Totally get the training reference. I was just saying itís a low stress scenario.
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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2021, 08:14:34 PM »
I train for woods carry.  Been doing it for years.   With pack on or off.  I carry on my belt never ever on my packÖ ever.  Itís saved my life twice.  Both cougar.  Iíve gotten so that when I get spooked I draw and point.  Not proud but Iíve drawn on deer and moose and a mountain biker.  If Iím taken by surprise the pistol is out and ready.   FYI both cougar where at less than 9 yards and both died.  One pretty fast the other shot in the air and was gone in a blink, was found the next day. 
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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2021, 08:46:38 PM »
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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2021, 06:54:26 AM »
There's a guy you just don't prank and startle lol

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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2021, 08:04:22 AM »
I am guessing that the kill zone would be about the size of your daughter's soccer ball.
So have a by stander roll it down hill from your choice of distance and since it is not a perfect flat or level surface might be good enough.
But I am not sure how you will replicate the chunks of adrenaline the size of your fist in your system.
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Practice scenario....Buy all the cheap soccer balls you can find at garage sales....Sprint uphill in a recent clearcut, kick the ball uphill 20 yards and put good hits on it as it rolls/bounces/careens downhill toward you.
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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2021, 08:11:14 AM »
I am guessing that the kill zone would be about the size of your daughter's soccer ball.
So have a by stander roll it down hill from your choice of distance and since it is not a perfect flat or level surface might be good enough.
But I am not sure how you will replicate the chunks of adrenaline the size of your fist in your system.
Yup.
Practice scenario....Buy all the cheap soccer balls you can find at garage sales....Sprint uphill in a recent clearcut, kick the ball uphill 20 yards and put good hits on it as it rolls/bounces/careens downhill toward you.



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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2021, 08:25:36 AM »
There's a guy you just don't prank and startle lol

Ha!  No kidding!

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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2021, 10:23:29 AM »
CouragePoaching is having a grizz roar at you 100 yards up the trail, and going up there anyways.....

(or maybe stupidity lol. )

Fixed that for you  :tup: :chuckle:

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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2021, 11:07:02 AM »
I think I know what you mean, tongue in cheek?  Lol

 Getting real, I won't SSS any critter though it's just not worth it.  You pop a wolf and save a few deer for what?  The next wolf?  His littermate thanks you, more for him.

Pop a grizz and they'll scour every trail camera, question every witnesses, maybe even check cell pings, they'll do more for that grizz than a missing child, and pay a higher reward for any info than a missing child gets.

It's sick.


That first wolf that was shot in stevens county had more reward than a missing child from same the county.

That 1st wolf went well north of 20 grand, this last one is 15 grand.

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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2021, 11:10:51 AM »
I think I know what you mean, tongue in cheek?  Lol

 Getting real, I won't SSS any critter though it's just not worth it.  You pop a wolf and save a few deer for what?  The next wolf?  His littermate thanks you, more for him.

Pop a grizz and they'll scour every trail camera, question every witnesses, maybe even check cell pings, they'll do more for that grizz than a missing child, and pay a higher reward for any info than a missing child gets.

It's sick.


That first wolf that was shot in stevens county had more reward than a missing child from same the county.

That 1st wolf went well north of 20 grand, this last one is 15 grand.

Just flipping you crap, glad you caught it ;-)

That's a very good demonstration of how off our scale of priorities is.

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Re: Who trains for woods carry?
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2021, 12:06:22 PM »
I have often said, you would get off easier murdering someone than accidently shooting a whooping crane... (or wolf, or Griz...)
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