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Offline Special T

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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2021, 05:53:12 PM »
Have a question for some of you regaurding a lawsuit. Would you be willing to donate to one? Even if you wernt completely certain the case would work?

I dont think sportsmen have ever sued the WDFW, but pretty much everyone else has. We we as a group are not willing to go that direction why would the WDFW ever side with us... when we have proven we are not willing to go to the matt like everyone else.

Just a thought.

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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2021, 06:38:28 PM »
Have a question for some of you regaurding a lawsuit. Would you be willing to donate to one? Even if you wernt completely certain the case would work?

I dont think sportsmen have ever sued the WDFW, but pretty much everyone else has. We we as a group are not willing to go that direction why would the WDFW ever side with us... when we have proven we are not willing to go to the matt like everyone else.

Just a thought.

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Could a GoFundMe work for that or perhaps SCI would consider? Either way I would donate.
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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2021, 07:21:13 PM »
I bring this up not because i have some  inside knowledge, but i know sportsmen are gonna need to put thier money where thier mouth is in order to fix this.

We are a bunch of head strong  independent types that have a really hard time coming together unless THE PERFECT opportunity arrises. The Antis dont need perfection they just move on every opportunity.

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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2021, 07:34:35 PM »
 :yeah: Perfectly put.

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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2021, 07:57:44 PM »
Have a question for some of you regaurding a lawsuit. Would you be willing to donate to one? Even if you wernt completely certain the case would work?

I dont think sportsmen have ever sued the WDFW, but pretty much everyone else has. We we as a group are not willing to go that direction why would the WDFW ever side with us... when we have proven we are not willing to go to the matt like everyone else.

Just a thought.

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I’m in. I don’t have a huge bank roll but I’d throw down some $$.
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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2021, 08:01:12 PM »
I’m trying to talk a fellow member (lawyer) into looking into it. Lots of possibilities in my eyes.
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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2021, 08:03:33 PM »
How many total members are on here? Class action lawsuit against WDFW! I'm in.

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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2021, 08:16:21 PM »
Is there some sort of grounds for legal action against the state. Humans have been eating animals since the beginning of time. I am as much a predator on the landscape as any bear, cougar, or wolf. Ive got just as much of a right to the resource as they do :twocents:

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I like this Karl! I agree and since they have free reign to fight and kill each other over territory then why can't we join in!? My wife's family has been in the Blues for 100 yrs. They own the original cabin on Twin Buttes in the Wenaha. The Knight cabin as it was known for the guy who originally built it. In I think about 1913? They said the elk population decline has always been noticable every since the stop to hound hunting and then the introduction of wolves. Her brother and father got drawn for the watershed a few years ago and the warden told them that they shouldn't have put in for it. He said the herd is all but gone to the South and into Oregon or out into the wheat fields and towards the Snake to escape the wolves. They ate tag soup needless to say. The only thing they saw was a decent bull way up on the opposite side of the canyon and he was moving too fast for them to even attempt to cross over and find him again. They found some nice sheds to bring home and that was it.
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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2021, 09:39:17 PM »
I just want to be clear, I asked the question about possible legal action because I truly do not know if thats a possibility or how to even go about it. As I already stated, I can be a good soldier but in no way am I claiming to know even a little bit about how any of that works. Closest ive been to a court room is filling the lobby vending machines  :chuckle:
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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2021, 09:51:26 PM »
So you’re saying you’re not a lawyer then?
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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2021, 09:53:54 PM »
Looks like Karl is head of council. Here we go!
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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2021, 09:57:57 PM »
If someone was to go over management objectives, financial expenditures or lack of to address issues,  harvest allowance, etc etc and find those little things that don't line up a lawsuit is not out of the realm of possibility....

Fish Nw is currently having some luck with their lawsuit in regards to how the state rolls over and piggy backs co manager fishing permits every year.... it's interesting watching it play out.

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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2021, 09:58:02 PM »

So you’re saying you’re not a lawyer then?




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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2021, 11:30:15 PM »
If someone was to go over management objectives, financial expenditures or lack of to address issues,  harvest allowance, etc etc and find those little things that don't line up a lawsuit is not out of the realm of possibility....

Fish Nw is currently having some luck with their lawsuit in regards to how the state rolls over and piggy backs co manager fishing permits every year.... it's interesting watching it play out.
The department is reactionary and operates from a position of weakness. The antis know  whichnis why they have been able to get a the whole salami by just taking lots of small slices gained from threats and compromises.

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Re: DEFINING THE BLUE MOUNTAINS ELK MANAGEMENT PROBLEM
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2021, 08:14:36 AM »
Have a question for some of you regaurding a lawsuit. Would you be willing to donate to one? Even if you wernt completely certain the case would work?

I dont think sportsmen have ever sued the WDFW, but pretty much everyone else has. We we as a group are not willing to go that direction why would the WDFW ever side with us... when we have proven we are not willing to go to the matt like everyone else.

Just a thought.

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If I thought it could bring positive change, I would.  Even if it wasn't a slam dunk case.

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