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2023 South Africa trip success
« on: March 18, 2023, 05:40:57 PM »
Had a great trip with JP Kleinhans Safaris

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2023, 05:53:28 PM »
Looks like a nice lot of mature trophies ya got.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2023, 05:57:49 PM »
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2023, 05:57:54 PM »
Those are awesome. I love the red hartebeest. Congratulations.
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2023, 06:10:19 PM »
Those are awesome. I love the red hartebeest. Congratulations.
thankyou!  Iím gonna try and put another trip together for next year or 2025 . If people are interested Iíll have the outfitter come to my house so folks can talk to him and have some cocktails .

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2023, 06:13:07 PM »
Epic trophies! Congrats! What animal is the first pic? (I know the others) Thanks for sharing!
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2023, 06:21:02 PM »
Bushbuck and nyala

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2023, 08:17:58 PM »
Congratulations! Great looking animals; Africa is my dream hunt.

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2023, 08:20:24 PM »
Excellent animals 👍 I have only done it once but Africa is a blast. Thanks for posting

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2023, 10:09:27 PM »
2025! Great animals bud.
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2023, 10:31:01 PM »
Love the nyala and Sable.  Congrats!
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2023, 10:34:42 PM »
How cool is that! Tell us about the hunts, Iíve never dug into the OS exotics adventures. Congrats on your success mister.
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2023, 06:46:57 AM »
Nice job mike, looks like you had a heck of a time.
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2023, 07:09:02 AM »
Awesome stuff, some fine animals there

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2023, 08:24:44 AM »
Awesome!  How much roughly does something like that cost?  I've been wanting to take a trip there forever and would like to bring my dad for his 70th birthday, just wanted a general idea on what I need to save up.  Any input helps, thank you. 

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2023, 12:41:45 PM »
Awesome!  How much roughly does something like that cost?  I've been wanting to take a trip there forever and would like to bring my dad for his 70th birthday, just wanted a general idea on what I need to save up.  Any input helps, thank you.
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2023, 01:50:31 PM »
Fantastic trip, Congratulations!
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2023, 02:58:49 PM »
Beautiful animals! Congratulations!

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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2023, 03:40:03 PM »
Awesome!  How much roughly does something like that cost?  I've been wanting to take a trip there forever and would like to bring my dad for his 70th birthday, just wanted a general idea on what I need to save up.  Any input helps, thank you.


South Africa seemed actually inexpensive compared to other guided hunts when I went. Took a dozen animals for the cost of what I see a lot of guided elk hunts advertised for. Of course it depends on what and how many you shoot 😂 itís expensive compared to a diy hunt in your home state but I thought it was a good deal for what we got. I took my Dad on the Africa hunt as well. Go for it totally worth it

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2023, 08:06:04 AM »
Those are awesome. I love the red hartebeest. Congratulations.
thankyou!  Iím gonna try and put another trip together for next year or 2025 . If people are interested Iíll have the outfitter come to my house so folks can talk to him and have some cocktails .


I'm interested if it ends up being in 2025.
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2023, 10:24:07 AM »
Sable and a Kudu? Sign me up!

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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2023, 10:27:41 AM »
Wow, looks like a nice trip! 

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2023, 10:44:14 AM »
Sable and a Kudu? Sign me up!

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$2500? I was so mad I didnt buy it the next morning!
In most parts of Africa there are no bag limits. You can shoot as many animals as you are willing to pay for. As a result, many African outfitters donate hunts to organizations such as Wild Sheep in the expectation that once the hunter arrives, he will shoot more animals than the donated hunt offers. If a hunter comes to South Africa and shoots just the sable and kudu included in that donated hunt the outfitter would almost certainly lose money.

Iíve seen quite a few Africa hunts goes for very little money at these types of auctions, in some cases less than $1000. There are always the added costs of airfare, tips, and taxidermy that donated hunts donít typically include. If a hunter is willing to restrict himself to how many animals he shoots, and limits the number of animals mounted an African hunt can be done for a very reasonable cost.
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2023, 12:47:57 PM »
I have proven to have very poor self-control...

Africa is like this:
Imagine if you will, a trophy Elk hunt.  While sitting in the blind on this hunt, looking over several Trophy Elk, a magnificent Mule deer walks by.  The guide says, "would you like to take that Mule deer?"  You say, "Why yes.  Yes I would...."

And that is how I ran out of house for taxidermy.
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I have proven to have very poor self-control...

Africa is like this:
Imagine if you will, a trophy Elk hunt.  While sitting in the blind on this hunt, looking over several Trophy Elk, a magnificent Mule deer walks by.  The guide says, "would you like to take that Mule deer?"  You say, "Why yes.  Yes I would...."

And that is how I ran out of house for taxidermy.
[/quote. Thatís a very true statement ! Itís a good thing I just built and extra large house with a trophy room. And then when I fill that up I will put them anywhere and everywhere 🤣

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2023, 02:05:48 PM »
I have proven to have very poor self-control...

Africa is like this:
Imagine if you will, a trophy Elk hunt.  While sitting in the blind on this hunt, looking over several Trophy Elk, a magnificent Mule deer walks by.  The guide says, "would you like to take that Mule deer?"  You say, "Why yes.  Yes I would...."

And that is how I ran out of house for taxidermy.
Yes, and there are outfitters that take advantage of this. "Oh my that's the largest kudu we've seen this year. You MUST take it!"  My advice is to have a budget, talk with the outfitter in advance to be clear about it, and then plan to spend a little more.
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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2023, 02:06:21 PM »
I have proven to have very poor self-control...

Africa is like this:
Imagine if you will, a trophy Elk hunt.  While sitting in the blind on this hunt, looking over several Trophy Elk, a magnificent Mule deer walks by.  The guide says, "would you like to take that Mule deer?"  You say, "Why yes.  Yes I would...."

And that is how I ran out of house for taxidermy.

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2023, 02:29:18 PM »
Wow, all beautiful animals. I'll be hunting Africa in my dreams now.
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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2023, 02:44:53 PM »
Going to Africa to hunt a few animals purchased on a donated hunt is like going into a candy store to buy a Hershey's bar and seeing this.
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« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2023, 03:59:54 PM »
That last pic sums it up pretty well with the Africa hunts at the banquets. 

That being said hunting Africa is an amazing experience, I have yet to meet one person who did it and regretted it. You can get so many more animals on a $10K hunt over there then you can here its crazy.  Not to mention the cultural benefits of hunting another continent. 

I went in 2018 and have no regrets whatsoever.  I'm hoping to get back soon someday.  I think about it most days. 

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« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2023, 04:33:55 PM »
That last pic sums it up pretty well with the Africa hunts at the banquets. 

That being said hunting Africa is an amazing experience, I have yet to meet one person who did it and regretted it. You can get so many more animals on a $10K hunt over there then you can here its crazy.  Not to mention the cultural benefits of hunting another continent. 

I went in 2018 and have no regrets whatsoever.  I'm hoping to get back soon someday.  I think about it most days.
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« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2023, 06:58:32 PM »
Worst mistake you can make is hunting Africa.  All you do is yearn to go back and scape up pennies to get there.

I have been three times and have no regrets.  None of the hunts have been wise for my personal finances but I got to go with my dad on each hunt and those memories are priceless. 

Regarding ph's taking advantage of the kid in a candystore situation.  While they dont discourage you in adding animals to your dance card, i never found they would exagerate the size of an animal.  I went with 3 different outfitters and on each trip I was told to pass on animals that I would have otherwise wanted to shoot.  They judge themselves on trophy evaluation before the shot and in Africa an old animal is prized over a larger better scoring one.  I went to Zimbabwe 2 times and Namibia once.  Zimbabwe prides themselves as having the most comprehensive certification process for their PHs-but travel to Zim can be an exersise in pop quizzes.

I went to my PHs and said something like:
"I definitely want a kudu, gemsbok and warthog.  But i would also like 2 from the following depending on what your consession has to offer- zebra, blue wildebeest,  Eland, black wildebeest or Nyala.
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2023, 07:21:40 PM »
Going to Africa to hunt a few animals purchased on a donated hunt is like going into a candy store to buy a Hershey's bar and seeing this.
there are a lot of things wrong with the donated hunts . Someone has to pay for the shortcomings of the donation and usually it going to be the hunter .

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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2023, 07:38:13 PM »
I've been to Africa four times; all of them started as auction hunts. I've only been urged or encouraged to shoot more animals that I wanted to once. I never hunted with that outfitter again.
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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2023, 08:04:30 PM »
Whatís the process for transporting heads and such back to the states and any issues in doing so? How much would you budget to do this? What happens with the meat? Do you bring any of it back, or does it go to the locals?

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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2023, 08:29:32 PM »
Whatís the process for transporting heads and such back to the states and any issues in doing so? How much would you budget to do this? What happens with the meat? Do you bring any of it back, or does it go to the locals?
your outfitter will deliver them to a taxidermist where they will clean the skulls and do what they call dip and pack . They spray them for bugs crate them up and they have to sit there for 8 weeks minimum before they can ship to the states . During the 8 weeks time if all goes well they will have acquired your proper permits to ship the animals out of the country . If your animal is on cites like say giraffe is on cites 2 right now it takes longer . When all permits are acquired and they are ready to ship , one way to do it is use a customs broker to help you get your skins and horns back into the country and from there you can have them shipped to you or your taxidermist or the tannery whatever works best for you .

As for prices , dip and pack last time for 6 animals cost me about 400 this time it was a 1000.  Iím sure the shipping and brokerage fees have gone up too so I donít know yet but Iím guessing a couple grand .

Youíll eat some of the meat while youíre there , nothing is wasted . You canít bring meat back

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2023, 04:16:22 AM »
Great looking animals!
Iíd agree with the thoughts of go hunting now. Prices will only keep going up and the adventure one finds on these hunts are amazing. Going as a group can lesson first time jitters and sometimes help cut costs.
 Africa has always been on my bucket list but my heart is still in the mountain hunts right now.

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2023, 04:05:52 PM »
Worst mistake you can make is hunting Africa.  All you do is yearn to go back and scape up pennies to get there.

I have been three times and have no regrets.  None of the hunts have been wise for my personal finances but I got to go with my dad on each hunt and those memories are priceless. 

Regarding ph's taking advantage of the kid in a candystore situation.  While they dont discourage you in adding animals to your dance card, i never found they would exagerate the size of an animal.  I went with 3 different outfitters and on each trip I was told to pass on animals that I would have otherwise wanted to shoot.  They judge themselves on trophy evaluation before the shot and in Africa an old animal is prized over a larger better scoring one.  I went to Zimbabwe 2 times and Namibia once.  Zimbabwe prides themselves as having the most comprehensive certification process for their PHs-but travel to Zim can be an exersise in pop quizzes.

I went to my PHs and said something like:
"I definitely want a kudu, gemsbok and warthog.  But i would also like 2 from the following depending on what your consession has to offer- zebra, blue wildebeest,  Eland, black wildebeest or Nyala.


I had a similar experience as far as choosing which animals to take. I was told to pass many, many times . I never was encouraged to shoot anything extra and they took judging the animals pretty seriously. I only went once but also took my dad. Literally one of my best hunting experiences ever.

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2023, 06:53:27 PM »
I went to South Africa and Zimbabwe 4 times in the 1990ís. It was cheap then. I hunted Cape buffalo, leopard, sable and many other animals then in Zimbabwe. I hunted a 150,000 acre ranch in South Africa and had great hunts. but the wild of Zimbabwe was incredible. I saw many elephant, lion, unbelievable number of Cape buffalo many other animals. I look at my trophies every night will never forget everything I saw on those trips. Back when I went it was so cheap and easy to send trophies home. I know it is a lot different now.

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2023, 10:20:34 AM »
Awesome!  How much roughly does something like that cost?  I've been wanting to take a trip there forever and would like to bring my dad for his 70th birthday, just wanted a general idea on what I need to save up.  Any input helps, thank you.


South Africa seemed actually inexpensive compared to other guided hunts when I went. Took a dozen animals for the cost of what I see a lot of guided elk hunts advertised for. Of course it depends on what and how many you shoot 😂 itís expensive compared to a diy hunt in your home state but I thought it was a good deal for what we got. I took my Dad on the Africa hunt as well. Go for it totally worth it

Thanks Idahoguy and bugsnbones, that sounds like a great time and good memories to boot!  I was thinking/hoping to spend somewhere between 10-20k for 2 of us, but wasn't sure if that's doable, I don't care if I get the big expensive trophies, just want to shoot a few of the abundant ones with cool horns, etc. maybe 5-6 animals.  I'm glad you got to go with your dad, like a few of the respondents, what a great opportunity.  I'll be looking more into it shortly!  Who was your outfit/outfitter you went with? A PM is fine if too, if I'm being to forward in asking and fine if not :tup:   

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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2023, 01:30:28 PM »
Include airfare in your price estimates.  That can add 2 to 4 k per person to costs. 
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Re: 2023 South Africa trip success
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2023, 04:55:07 PM »
Awesome!  How much roughly does something like that cost?  I've been wanting to take a trip there forever and would like to bring my dad for his 70th birthday, just wanted a general idea on what I need to save up.  Any input helps, thank you.


South Africa seemed actually inexpensive compared to other guided hunts when I went. Took a dozen animals for the cost of what I see a lot of guided elk hunts advertised for. Of course it depends on what and how many you shoot 😂 itís expensive compared to a diy hunt in your home state but I thought it was a good deal for what we got. I took my Dad on the Africa hunt as well. Go for it totally worth it

Thanks Idahoguy and bugsnbones, that sounds like a great time and good memories to boot!  I was thinking/hoping to spend somewhere between 10-20k for 2 of us, but wasn't sure if that's doable, I don't care if I get the big expensive trophies, just want to shoot a few of the abundant ones with cool horns, etc. maybe 5-6 animals.  I'm glad you got to go with your dad, like a few of the respondents, what a great opportunity.  I'll be looking more into it shortly!  Who was your outfit/outfitter you went with? A PM is fine if too, if I'm being to forward in asking and fine if not :tup:
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