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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2023, 12:50:05 PM »
 :yeah:

If you read some of the magazines they advocate putting in for WA OIL permits.
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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2023, 12:55:42 PM »
Idk if Washington has a bunch of non resident oil competition...but with that said if we could split Washington up region by region and let the residents of that region have 1st pick of those tags we could really cut down on the competition  :chuckle:

Or you would have a lot of new neighbors.

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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2023, 01:00:24 PM »
Again, best way to immediately change drawing odds for OILís,  make people purchase tags to be in the draw. Refunds to those not drawn, email permit manager and commission.

Exactly! Go back to the old system of doing the OIL's
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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2023, 03:16:21 PM »
Earn a bonus point for every tagged cougar and bear

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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2023, 04:31:19 PM »
Get rid of the point system.

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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2023, 05:06:54 PM »
Get rid of the point system.
:yeah:

The bonus point system isnít understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if theyíve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.

 We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you canít apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.


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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2023, 07:31:41 PM »
Get rid of the point system.
:yeah:

The bonus point system isnít understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if theyíve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.

 We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you canít apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.

Couldnít have said it better myself.
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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2023, 08:19:00 PM »
Get rid of the point system.
:yeah:

The bonus point system isnít understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if theyíve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.

 We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you canít apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.

Couldnít have said it better myself.
and another way for all draws is you only get one choice, that would help bigger then anything in the elk and deer draws

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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2023, 08:43:37 PM »
Get rid of the point system.
:yeah:

The bonus point system isnít understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if theyíve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.

 We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you canít apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.

Actually it sounds like you don't understand how it works. Ten points DOES give you 100 times better odds than 1 point.

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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2023, 09:10:40 PM »
Get rid of the point system.
:yeah:

The bonus point system isnít understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if theyíve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.

 We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you canít apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.

Couldnít have said it better myself.
and another way for all draws is you only get one choice, that would help bigger then anything in the elk and deer draws

Agreed

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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2023, 09:25:08 PM »
Get rid of the point system.
:yeah:

The bonus point system isnít understood by a majority of the people that are applying every year. I think folks believe if theyíve been applying for ten years those ten points give them one hundred chances in the draw. But in reality those points generate a hundred random numbers and out of these numbers the lowest number is picked and that ONE number is what is in the draw. But it is a great marketing gimmick and people get heated when you talk about going to a system with no bonus points cause they think all those years of applying bought them that many more names in the draw.

 We should model our system more like Idahos where if you choose to apply for a deer or elk permit you canít apply for an OIL tag. Only way to increase odds is having less people in the draw and making people choose between applying for a deer and elk permit or a chance at an OIL tag will accomplish having less people in the lottery.

Actually it sounds like you don't understand how it works. Ten points DOES give you 100 times better odds than 1 point.

This is exactly what I am saying an average person doesnít understand how our bonus point system works. We have the same system as Nevada.

When you have ten points it is squared and you are assigned one hundred random numbers. The lowest number out of those numbers generated is assigned to your draw you put in for. The lower the number you get the better chance you have at drawing. You have better odds at getting a lower number than some one with one point but I wouldnít say it is hundred to one better. You still only get the one random number just like the guy that has one point.


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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2023, 09:47:01 PM »
Drawing a lower number is the way in which you actually drww a tag. So with 100 numbers versus only one number, your odds are certainly better. And I'd say 100 times better. It's irrelevant that you only end up with only one number. The lowest number out of the 100 is the only one that matters. All you need is a lower number than other applicants who applied for the same permit you did.

Not saying I'm a fan of the point system at all. It doesn't work properly with too many applicants relative to the number of permits available.

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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2023, 10:24:21 PM »
Ow many numbers do they use in relation to how many applications.  0 to infinity?
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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2023, 11:02:06 PM »
People complain about every system in every state...there is no chance at pleasing people

I wonder how long until greedy hunters start trying to pull tags from the youth categories

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Re: Special draw structure changes
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2023, 12:10:09 AM »
 The ďsystemĒ is doing exactly what it was designed to do, raise revenue!

 Itís amazing how many Washington hunters canít see the forest through the trees! But then again, Iíd imagine the majority of them also donít see the result of their voting ďDĒ down ballot! :twocents:
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