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check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« on: October 19, 2023, 04:22:01 PM »
I've hunted some very wet days with my Knight Disc Extreme and always managed to keep my powder dry.
(gun went boom at the end of the day) While hunting elk this season, I had one day where it rained so hard my new Kuiu Yukon raingear soaked through within 5 hours (that's another story I'm not thrilled about) Anyway, I carry my rifle in an Eberlestock Gunrunner pack, barrel down. We figured leaving them in the packs until needed would provide the most protection from the rain. I didn't fire it that afternoon, but that night I pulled the breach plug and found a wet gooey mess. The water must have wicked in around the breach plug since it was dry under the nipple. Lesson learned, next time I'll wrap that area with saran wrap and also put a balloon over the barrel. I was surprised, but at least I didn't find out the hard way.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2023, 04:26:36 PM »
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That's a new one - never had an issue like that with my Knight but never been in that much rain either!
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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2023, 04:38:33 PM »
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That's a new one - never had an issue like that with my Knight but never been in that much rain either!

Yeah, when Iím hunting I check it every time Iíve there any rain involved. I think we greatly overestimated the protection the pack would provide. Rain like that in the future I may check it mid-day

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2023, 04:57:09 PM »
My first year with a muzzy I was 12 miles deep in the Pasyten during early buck. Rain, snow and sleet. I had a balloon on the barrel and tape over the breech. Seen some some small bucks but nothing I was after so no shots. As we were packing up I shot the muzzy and just the cap went off, same as yours, mush. Now if there is weather I either shoot it or load new every day
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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2023, 04:58:09 PM »
I've hunted in downpours, hailstorms, snowstorms without any issues. I use a Hawkins Side lock, seal the cap with nail polish and a simple cork in the muzzle. Load once in the beginning of the season if no shots fired, I touch it off at new year's. 
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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2023, 04:59:51 PM »
Should have bought a Thompson...  :chuckle: Hunting in the rain with a muzzy can be a b*txh sometimes. My great uncle used to go buy unlubricated condoms and put one over the barrel every time he was out. It always kept his powder dry. I can't see that much water getting into your breech plug unless somethings wrong with your threads. Maybe you should have that looked at. I've never seen that much water in a muzzleloader before.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2023, 05:14:53 PM »
I use Teflon tape on breach plug threads and muzzle condoms
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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2023, 06:48:32 PM »
I used electrical tape on the muzzle and a rubber glove over the side lock of my TC Hawken. After 3 rainy days, it went boom when I emptied it. I kept my gun in its case in the truck at night.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2023, 10:20:13 PM »
After an all day rain during elk season this year I reloaded at night, powder was dry, but better safe than sorry. However, stupid me forgot to fire a cap before I reloaded... I ALWAYS (except this once) fire a cap or 2 before I load my muzzy. The next day I walked into a bedded bull at 30 yards in the timber (this day was completely dry) pulled the trigger and got a soft pop. I had water in my nipple area from the day before that I never got out. I hate it when my equipment functions as it should, but I make some bonehead mistake.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2023, 10:29:31 PM »
I've hunted some very wet days with my Knight Disc Extreme and always managed to keep my powder dry.
(gun went boom at the end of the day) While hunting elk this season, I had one day where it rained so hard my new Kuiu Yukon raingear soaked through within 5 hours (that's another story I'm not thrilled about) Anyway, I carry my rifle in an Eberlestock Gunrunner pack, barrel down. We figured leaving them in the packs until needed would provide the most protection from the rain. I didn't fire it that afternoon, but that night I pulled the breach plug and found a wet gooey mess. The water must have wicked in around the breach plug since it was dry under the nipple. Lesson learned, next time I'll wrap that area with saran wrap and also put a balloon over the barrel. I was surprised, but at least I didn't find out the hard way.
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Looks exactly what I pushed out of my Bighorn last week after almost two days of dark to dark elk hunting in constant rain down at the coast. Black gooÖ barrel taped. Grease on breech plug. Gun carried upside down.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2023, 08:18:06 AM »
Should have bought a Thompson...  :chuckle: Hunting in the rain with a muzzy can be a b*txh sometimes. My great uncle used to go buy unlubricated condoms and put one over the barrel every time he was out. It always kept his powder dry. I can't see that much water getting into your breech plug unless somethings wrong with your threads. Maybe you should have that looked at. I've never seen that much water in a muzzleloader before.

After thinking about this some more I,m starting to think the bulk of the water likely found it way in the barrel and tracked down the rifling. I say this because the front end of the load was wettest. I don't think it would even take that much water to ruin the load. From now on I'll be covering up the barrel and breach even when in the pack

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2023, 09:19:42 AM »
Also never assume that your barrel is dry also!  I missed a 4 point buck a few years ago.  It was raining in the Central Valley of ca.  when I left home.  Got up in the Sierras and it was snowing, had the ML in the gun sack and in the cab with me, with the heater going.  Got up to where I was hunting, day trip, poped a cap the started to load.  Walked to my spot, there only 10 minutes and three bucks stepped out of the brush at 50 yards.  I shouldered the rifle aimed and fired, no bang just pop. Hang fire!  Kept the rifle shouldered and replaced the cap, deer still there.  Fired again, pop no bang!  Held still then it went off,  whoosh!  Started to reload after a wipe with patch, deer walked away back into the brush.  Warm barrel brought out into the cold air water condensed inside of the barrel. 

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2023, 09:38:03 AM »
Dont know why you worry about the barrel ? If water gets by the sabot then something is wrong......Thats a tight seal thik about it  :o

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2023, 01:18:58 PM »
Dont know why you worry about the barrel ? If water gets by the sabot then something is wrong......Thats a tight seal thik about it  :o

The end of the barrel is the easiest spot for water to get your powder wet. The bullet or sabot does not form into the grooves of the barrel when loaded down into it. There are gaps where each rifling groove comes past the bullet or sabot. Not much, but there are gaps. I have never had a problem with moisture inside my gun unless I used pellets. If you use loose powder and your load is seated correctly you won't have air gaps for condensation to form. I had hangfires before. Then I quit using pellets and kept my caps dry and clean and it has literally never happened again.  :twocents:

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2023, 02:26:09 PM »
Westside88- I see Western WA as your location so I'm guessing you hunted through those 2 days just buckets on and off???  This was my first year muzzy hunting and I was worried about mine as well.  Thankfully mine went boom on the last day.  Knight UL with full plastic jacket primer system and electrical tape over the barrel.  Carried it muzzle up just slung over my shoulder most those days.  Sometimes when it was really pouring I move it to hand carry with a hand over the breach hoping it would help.

Were you using the FPJ deal on yours?  Just curious as I'm trying to learn as much as I can about what happened hoping I don't do it as well.  I've used Eberlstock packs in the past as well so I'm familiar with the setup.  I'm wondering if water ran down that sleeve on the pack and just sat on the back of the breech plug seeping it's way in?

Thanks for sharing your experience so others can learn!

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2023, 02:57:06 PM »
I haven't hunted many dry days with my Knight BH, but I've managed to always keep the powder dry.  It's never failed to go boom even months later.   I use an ample amount of the blue Knight breach plug grease(don't go stingy) and always wrap the end of the barrel with electrical tape.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2023, 05:25:53 PM »
I hunted the coast and dealt with all the rain , I hand carry my muzzy ( knight ultra light with a bare 209 conversion) and tape over the barrel and Iíve had zero issues in the rain . I also hunt the late muzzy season for blacktail in the snow and still zero issues

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2023, 06:45:50 PM »
Westside88- I see Western WA as your location so I'm guessing you hunted through those 2 days just buckets on and off???  This was my first year muzzy hunting and I was worried about mine as well.  Thankfully mine went boom on the last day.  Knight UL with full plastic jacket primer system and electrical tape over the barrel.  Carried it muzzle up just slung over my shoulder most those days.  Sometimes when it was really pouring I move it to hand carry with a hand over the breach hoping it would help.

Were you using the FPJ deal on yours?  Just curious as I'm trying to learn as much as I can about what happened hoping I don't do it as well.  I've used Eberlstock packs in the past as well so I'm familiar with the setup.  I'm wondering if water ran down that sleeve on the pack and just sat on the back of the breech plug seeping it's way in?

Thanks for sharing your experience so others can learn!

I run loose triple 7 and a #11 cap. It was dry under the nipple and the cap itself went off when I tried it later. I put a new one on every time I take them off and save the old for practice. I think youíre probably correct that the pack was likely so wet that it was dripping water into a vulnerable place. In the future Iíll cover the barrel and breach and will probably be fine. I was in the foothills of the Olympics and those couple days were WET!

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2023, 09:21:39 PM »
Used a solo hunter rifle cover over my muzzleloader this season and got dumped on pretty hard for a few days. I still taped the muzzle and as always thread taped the breach plug. Rifle always looked pretty darn dry at the end of the day though I haven't pulled the breach plug yet to see what the powder actually looks like.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2023, 10:43:52 AM »
Used a solo hunter rifle cover over my muzzleloader this season and got dumped on pretty hard for a few days. I still taped the muzzle and as always thread taped the breach plug. Rifle always looked pretty darn dry at the end of the day though I haven't pulled the breach plug yet to see what the powder actually looks like.
Nice tip, Iíll have to check that out. Please let us know what you discover

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2023, 10:46:57 AM »
I have hunted in some very wet Oly Peninsula late season weather with my muzz and have never had that issue. I use electrical tape on my muzzle, and I Still use #11 percussion caps on my bighorn and my Disc Extreme.  If you are using 29 primers depending on how those sit in your muzz there is more than enough room to get water in and around them.  Thanks to Sabotloader, I have a hunting lifetime supply of little silicone cap covers that I use when it is wet out.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2023, 02:48:30 PM »
I have hunted in some very wet Oly Peninsula late season weather with my muzz and have never had that issue. I use electrical tape on my muzzle, and I Still use #11 percussion caps on my bighorn and my Disc Extreme.  If you are using 29 primers depending on how those sit in your muzz there is more than enough room to get water in and around them. Thanks to Sabotloader, I have a hunting lifetime supply of little silicone cap covers that I use when it is wet out.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2023, 05:25:13 AM »
Used a solo hunter rifle cover over my muzzleloader this season and got dumped on pretty hard for a few days. I still taped the muzzle and as always thread taped the breach plug. Rifle always looked pretty darn dry at the end of the day though I haven't pulled the breach plug yet to see what the powder actually looks like.
Nice tip, Iíll have to check that out. Please let us know what you discover

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2023, 05:26:52 PM »
Used a solo hunter rifle cover over my muzzleloader this season and got dumped on pretty hard for a few days. I still taped the muzzle and as always thread taped the breach plug. Rifle always looked pretty darn dry at the end of the day though I haven't pulled the breach plug yet to see what the powder actually looks like.
Nice tip, Iíll have to check that out. Please let us know what you discover

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2023, 01:27:43 PM »
I havenít had this happen in my life yet. Gun always goes bang but I always electrical tape all my barrels and if itís raining I tie a latex glove around the breach and only use #11 caps for that tight seal. i donít shoot it at the end of the day but usually before the next season after sitting loaded in the safe all year.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2023, 03:48:45 PM »
I haven't hunted many dry days with my Knight BH, but I've managed to always keep the powder dry.  It's never failed to go boom even months later.   I use an ample amount of the blue Knight breach plug grease(don't go stingy) and always wrap the end of the barrel with electrical tape.

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Exactly what I do. 3M Scotch 33 electrical tape in a cross pattern on the muzzle and with one final wrap around the end to seal the cross. Always lots of plug lube on the breech plug. Using a modern 209 primer and Knight FPJ red plastic primer holder. Always goes boom. Currently planning on hunting the rain storm coming in on Friday with this method.

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2023, 08:41:59 PM »
Dont know why you worry about the barrel ? If water gets by the sabot then something is wrong......Thats a tight seal thik about it  :o

It's actually not a tight seal until the pressure of the powder burning pushes it forward and flairs the sabot into the rifling.  :dunno:

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Re: check those muzzy loads don't assume they are dry
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2023, 07:54:15 AM »
I hunted probably 5-6 days in heavy rain this year with my muzzy. Taped barrel, #11 caps and a latex glove covering the breach while hunting. I was out Wednesday in a down pour hunted daylight to just before dark. Iíll admit I was starting to wonder if my gun had survived all the weather it had seen and was planning to shoot it at the end of the day. Well the end of the day ended up being on a small heard of elk with a cow tag in pocket and as expected the gun went boom when it needed to. As Always my trusty knight bighorn and #11 cap set up with loose pyrodex powder didnít let me down.

 


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