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Eight States Plan to Ban the Sale of Gas-Powered Vehicles as Joe Biden Issues New Rules to Begin Killing Them Off

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/eight-states-plan-ban-sale-gas-powered-vehicles/

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You canít fix stupid, just read the other day that democrats are requiring all school buses to be electric. The average cost of a diesel school bus is around 140k and the average electric bus is over 400k. Where is all this money going to come from. That doesnít even include the cost to put in however many charging stations theyíll need. Oh and the range varies from 45 to 90 miles, I am sure that will work great in rural districts.

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Talk about putting the cart before the horse. This is all by design, but it will go nowhere. Until the power grid is updated and bolstered to handle something of this extent, there will just be a lot of stranded people

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Talk about putting the cart before the horse. This is all by design, but it will go nowhere. Until the power grid is updated and bolstered to handle something of this extent, there will just be a lot of stranded people

I think thats the plan! :bash:

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Talk about putting the cart before the horse. This is all by design, but it will go nowhere. Until the power grid is updated and bolstered to handle something of this extent, there will just be a lot of stranded people
 

Even if the ev would work in rural areas They never mention where all the new electric power will come from. Meanwhile we move from coal and hydro to wind mills 😂 I already read about California having brown outs from too many people running their air conditioner lol. It will all be fine.

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This will bolster repair of used vehicles and their resale value.
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The reality is slowing sinking in!!  Berkley of all places!  Reminds me of a two year old and their temper tampers, all this green energy stupidity! Eight states being led by two year olds!

https://www.ehn.org/berkeley-reverses-its-ban-on-natural-gas-in-new-homes-after-a-legal-setback-2667627276.html
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The reality is slowing sinking in!!  Berkley of all places!  Reminds me of a two year old and their temper tampers, all this green energy stupidity! Eight states being led by two year olds!

https://www.ehn.org/berkeley-reverses-its-ban-on-natural-gas-in-new-homes-after-a-legal-setback-2667627276.html
It has nothing to do with reality sinking in though and everything to do with the courts telling them they canít enforce their stupid ban


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Of course all the states including ours on the left coast are adopting this, however it is new car sales. Yesterday I was listening to the Shawn Ryan show and his guest Randall Carlson talked about combustion engine conversions to plasma fueled which after warmed up emitted zero polutants. I belive Randal is from the Basin area, has been on the joe Rogan podcast and such.

20+ years ago I meet a guy that did some kind of plasma fule conversion and got 50mpg in his Viper. I thought it was some kind of scam, but perhaps it's real and the tech is being mainstream Ed now because of this EV push.
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Reading through this post reminds me of reading some of the historical comments when people said the automobile would one day replace the horse. Not sure you can set a hard time frame and not sure it will be evs, but the days of fossil fueled vehicles being the norm are limited.

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Of course all the states including ours on the left coast are adopting this, however it is new car sales. Yesterday I was listening to the Shawn Ryan show and his guest Randall Carlson talked about combustion engine conversions to plasma fueled which after warmed up emitted zero polutants. I belive Randal is from the Basin area, has been on the joe Rogan podcast and such.

20+ years ago I meet a guy that did some kind of plasma fule conversion and got 50mpg in his Viper. I thought it was some kind of scam, but perhaps it's real and the tech is being mainstream Ed now because of this EV push.
My understanding of the plasma conversion in cars is that it is a different ignition system but still uses convential fuel. It may be cleaner but still produces CO2. Is this something different?
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Weíll see hydrogen and possibly ammonia powered vehicles before, and if, EVís become the law of the land
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Faulty *censored* Logic at work again, even Musk says we cant survive on EVs alone, we need to run away from this mandate, or else we will fail, no one wants them and we are at Chinas mercy for the lithium
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Dependence on Chinese lithium are pretty much over.
Already two major deposits have been found in the US. Limiting factor on EVs is there short driving range and limited charging locations. I suspect both of those problems to be figured out within 10.years  I fully expect my grandkids will laugh about the noisy old clunkers we drive now when they get in their alternate powered vehicle that will politely ask them where they want to go and then take them there while they sit back and relax.

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Besides the environmental disaster EVs and their lithium batteries will be if they go through with this your electric bill will be outrageous due to the demand on the grid if can even handle it before there is rolling black outs or a 70s style rationing of electricity to charge a vehicle like they did with gas. When the government picks the winner everyone loses. The free market or what we have left of one will decide what people want it clearly isnít EVs.

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Of course all the states including ours on the left coast are adopting this, however it is new car sales. Yesterday I was listening to the Shawn Ryan show and his guest Randall Carlson talked about combustion engine conversions to plasma fueled which after warmed up emitted zero polutants. I belive Randal is from the Basin area, has been on the joe Rogan podcast and such.

20+ years ago I meet a guy that did some kind of plasma fule conversion and got 50mpg in his Viper. I thought it was some kind of scam, but perhaps it's real and the tech is being mainstream Ed now because of this EV push.
My understanding of the plasma conversion in cars is that it is a different ignition system but still uses convential fuel. It may be cleaner but still produces CO2. Is this something different?

According to Randall it produces no co2 and he talks about a guy breathing the exhaust. It mostly peaked my interest from my past run in and supposedly he couldn't get the conversions accepted by a motor company and sold his pattent to some one for several million bucks and it got shelved. Times may have changed enough that it may make an reappearance.
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One only has to follow the money.  It's Bidens plan to go to EV's, who is Biden friends with, China. Who produces the batteries, China.  Who is on Bidens shirt tails, all the lefty states.  The whole idea is not planned out.  Look how long it will take to travel long distance and like everyone mentioned where is the power coming from?  They can easily shut down travel by have brown outs.  This is also carrying over to trucks so shipping will slow down for these trucks to charge and the cost of shipping will go up.  The only way out of this is to get a republican in office to stop this nonsense until an actual plan can be put in place.
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One only has to follow the money.  It's Bidens plan to go to EV's, who is Biden friends with, China. Who produces the batteries, China.  Who is on Bidens shirt tails, all the lefty states.  The whole idea is not planned out.  Look how long it will take to travel long distance and like everyone mentioned where is the power coming from?  They can easily shut down travel by have brown outs.  This is also carrying over to trucks so shipping will slow down for these trucks to charge and the cost of shipping will go up.  The only way out of this is to get a republican in office to stop this nonsense until an actual plan can be put in place.

So unrealized this is a big leap of faith but here it goes. Oil and car companies have a huge incentive not to change things dramatically overnight. They have to many sunk costs to do so willingly. 20+years ago this was certainly the case for both industries. ASSUME that plasma fuel is 100% real. That reasonable modifications can be made to cars, and that they cannot really be profitable today with electric cars(big 3). Oil companies would be harmed by huge increases in efficiency in the past, but with all the turmoil would us companies be as stressed today?  20 years in a product lifecycle is a long time. Perhaps plasma fueled cars can save these legacy companies so between unrealistic mandates and such the technological shift doesn't have as many down sides. Perhaps if the USA is the main stable oil producer and the rest of the world is a flame they can see some advantage in allowing this to happen now instead of 20 years ago.  :twocents:
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I haven't heard of plasma fuels until now and still know nothing about it.  I did hear hydrogen is a more likely alternative than an EV.  So I think either fuel is along the same lines of your thinking.  At tis point anything is better than electric.
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I love these news pieces for a good laugh. The bias on each side and little jabs taken :chuckle:

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most radical environmental rules in American history to phase out gasoline-powered vehicles and force customers to drive ineffective electric cars

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With the Biden regime receiving help from several compliant states, the gas car may soon become a historical footnote unless President Trump wins this year. He is the last hope to begin reversing this environmental insanity and perhaps save America altogether.

Maybe if everyone is forced to switch and use these ineffective cars then given some time all the road hunters will be gone lol  :IBCOOL:

Got to focus on the positives somehow when these inevitable changes are coming our way

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Reading through this post reminds me of reading some of the historical comments when people said the automobile would one day replace the horse. Not sure you can set a hard time frame and not sure it will be evs, but the days of fossil fueled vehicles being the norm are limited.
 


where is all the electricity going to come from? I think hybrids are the only intermediate step that can actually be done. If EV is really the final or best solution. Right now the lithium mines are enviromental disasters. look up some of the mines in Chile and other countrys. lots of deisel power being used at the mines as well. I am not sure we are reducing anyones carbon footprint mining all this lithium.Besides that we DONT have the power or electrical grid to convert to ev.

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Here's an article I read on the plasma tech. It still uses gas, still produces CO2, just is more efficient so uses less gas and produces less CO2. Sounds like it has potential.
https://www.wired.com/story/is-lightning-fast-plasma-the-key-to-a-cleaner-car-engine/
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