Idaho Non-Res Tag Advisory Group

[Karl Blanchard]

This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race.  Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw.  I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa.  Less tags might also be good.

I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw. 

Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.

Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system

seriously though, if you hunt units that aren’t the most popular or under the radar, you’ll prob draw every year.  Most will apply for the most popular units, maybe they will only allow 2 choices??  Idaho is just trying to fix the chit show of what used to be Dec 1

probably so but it's nice to use undesirables as backup options, not be forced to make those your primary choice.  They will likely run the draw exactly like their current LE tag draw so only your first choice will matter.

[CarbonHunter]

I think the allocation to non residents is around 12% right now and if they recalculate that number given the increase in population and increased resident hunters I would be surprised if dropping to 10% would make much of a difference. In addition when the residents see they would have to help make up the difference in revenue I believe we will see a similar amount of non resident tags.

I actually believe there may be less of a demand for the tags in a draw environment given there would be a non refundable amount for your application of nearly $200 and you don’t get a point so it’s a true lottery ticket. Especially if they don’t give refunds for the tag you draw if you change your mind. If they add that people will need to really think about what they are applying for.

[Karl Blanchard]

I think the allocation to non residents is around 12% right now and if they recalculate that number given the increase in population and increased resident hunters I would be surprised if dropping to 10% would make much of a difference. In addition when the residents see they would have to help make up the difference in revenue I believe we will see a similar amount of non resident tags.

I actually believe there may be less of a demand for the tags in a draw environment given there would be a non refundable amount for your application of nearly $200 and you don’t get a point so it’s a true lottery ticket. Especially if they don’t give refunds for the tag you draw if you change your mind. If they add that people will need to really think about what they are applying for.

agreed. The license requirement with no point system is the only saving grace

[CarbonHunter]

This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race.  Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw.  I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa.  Less tags might also be good.

I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw. 

Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.

Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system

seriously though, if you hunt units that aren’t the most popular or under the radar, you’ll prob draw every year.  Most will apply for the most popular units, maybe they will only allow 2 choices??  Idaho is just trying to fix the chit show of what used to be Dec 1

probably so but it's nice to use undesirables as backup options, not be forced to make those your primary choice.  They will likely run the draw exactly like their current LE tag draw so only your first choice will matter.

I hope they do run it exactly like their current controlled hunt draw. The idea that you want to be able to apply for the premium hunts and get a default tag if you don’t get it is exactly what screwed up Washington’s system 15 years ago. If we still had just one species application like we used to it would take us 10 points to draw a cow tag like we do now and the amount of applications per tag would be way less.

[Magnum_Willys]

Damg current system we can draw every year ( gotta play the game) but now probably every third year on average ?  12500 tags, at least 30k applications?  But going down since you gotta pay for $200 license - each year .  Maybe odds go to 50/50 for popular areas?

[Karl Blanchard]

This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race.  Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw.  I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa.  Less tags might also be good.

I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw. 

Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.

Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system

seriously though, if you hunt units that aren’t the most popular or under the radar, you’ll prob draw every year.  Most will apply for the most popular units, maybe they will only allow 2 choices??  Idaho is just trying to fix the chit show of what used to be Dec 1

probably so but it's nice to use undesirables as backup options, not be forced to make those your primary choice.  They will likely run the draw exactly like their current LE tag draw so only your first choice will matter.

I hope they do run it exactly like their current controlled hunt draw. The idea that you want to be able to apply for the premium hunts and get a default tag if you don’t get it is exactly what screwed up Washington’s system 15 years ago. If we still had just one species application like we used to it would take us 10 points to draw a cow tag like we do now and the amount of applications per tag would be way less.

also agree. 

[idahohuntr]

I think the allocation to non residents is around 12% right now and if they recalculate that number given the increase in population and increased resident hunters I would be surprised if dropping to 10% would make much of a difference. In addition when the residents see they would have to help make up the difference in revenue I believe we will see a similar amount of non resident tags.

I actually believe there may be less of a demand for the tags in a draw environment given there would be a non refundable amount for your application of nearly $200 and you don’t get a point so it’s a true lottery ticket. Especially if they don’t give refunds for the tag you draw if you change your mind. If they add that people will need to really think about what they are applying for.

A lot of unknowns and folks will adapt I'm sure. I think the tag app/draw culture of today will long-term just turn every one of these gen. season units into higher and higher demand draws.  Crazy times.

As far as NR tag cuts/revenue...the solution everywhere in the West has been to continually cut NR quota and raise their prices.  This will be what Idaho does, guaranteed...i.e., if you cut NR tags in half, just double the remaining tag prices...no impact to residents or revenue.

[Karl Blanchard]

I think the allocation to non residents is around 12% right now and if they recalculate that number given the increase in population and increased resident hunters I would be surprised if dropping to 10% would make much of a difference. In addition when the residents see they would have to help make up the difference in revenue I believe we will see a similar amount of non resident tags.

I actually believe there may be less of a demand for the tags in a draw environment given there would be a non refundable amount for your application of nearly $200 and you don’t get a point so it’s a true lottery ticket. Especially if they don’t give refunds for the tag you draw if you change your mind. If they add that people will need to really think about what they are applying for.

A lot of unknowns and folks will adapt I'm sure. I think the tag app/draw culture of today will long-term just turn every one of these gen. season units into higher and higher demand draws.  Crazy times.

As far as NR tag cuts/revenue...the solution everywhere in the West has been to continually cut NR quota and raise their prices.  This will be what Idaho does, guaranteed...i.e., if you cut NR tags in half, just double the remaining tag prices...no impact to residents or revenue.

unfortunately you are spot on. There will always be enough people willing to pay that cost to keep the war chest full. 

[blackpowderhunter]

i saw one of the comments saying to raise non res fees.
i'd put money that a large majority of idaho residents dont know what a non res license/tag costs.
id also put money that they don't know that non resident tag sales accounts for around 60% of their departments revenue.
id also put money on the fact that they cant understand that a majority of the increased pressure is actually from RESIDENTS who have moved there.
( I say all of these things after having conversations with my idaho resident buddies at elk camp over dinner last year)
anyways, rant over.  i'll be spring bear hunting and elk hunting at least this year ...my odds may not be that bad since i hunt the lowly panhandle 

[fishngamereaper]

In general they are just catching up to other quality western states.
It's unfortunate but it was coming sooner or later.
We all wish they would of started with baby steps and small tweaks to the current system..
And they'll definitely off set loss of revenue with increased tag prices..
Be interesting to see how they , if they adopt it ...set up the draw system. 2 options, 4 options...
I think most of us hunt as group's so applying as a group seems like the most reasonable thing to do.. otherwise one guy might get drawn for 39 and another for 45..etc..
Guna suck for my hunting buddies trying to draw tags when I get my resident status 

[James]

All I wanted ID to do was make it so I could get a Non Res general tag with a hunting partner and not have it take place on dec 1st.

[Dhoey07]

Any idea if the deer tag quota will drop to 10% as well? 

I would hate being out the $200 bucks for not drawing but it would make it a little better odds if you put in for deer and elk.

[2MANY]

Totally agree with some of Karl's first statements.
This sucks Idaho Sheep Fuzz!!!!!!!

Don't worry for those of you that requested this you will get to apply every year in the first western state draw just like All the other folks in the world.
Unbelievable how this world continues to cater to the lazy.

Congrats!

[Feathernfurr]

I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

[Broomd]

I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂

'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence.  It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.

Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.