Sponsors should be screened. I see Banded as a sponsor on Waterfowl.

[Maverick]

K someone explain who the Hell chad is! Christian, you seem to have a great business. I think the problem is that you sponsor this chad guy and it appears that a lot of guys don't like him. So please keep in mind that the people you sponsor reflect on to your business..

[Skillet]

being an outside eye here, i think the differance is, H2OFOWLER, ties up land and takes people huntn for free, and not sure but probably lets people hunt there for free, when banded ties up land do they take people huntn for free, will they let people hunt their leased land for free, these are just questions..... hey h2ofowler, i have some private land that has some good duck huntn on it, well i just found out that it was turned into a no shootn zone, well a cop came to my house and made me aware of it but also said that it would be fairly easy to go to a county council meeting and get it to where a guy can atleast shoot shotguns, he even said he would accompany to these county council meetings, if i set somethn up and can get it back to a shotgun zone, i would be willing to let you use my land for your duck huntn service for free.

Just to play devil's advocate...

If you are trying not to "tie it up" by allowing H20 only to hunt it, why don't you post up the GPS Coordinates for all of us to have public access to it?  Selectively handing out permission - for whatever reason - is not that much different than leasing it to somebody.  But, it's private property, and you're doing what you want with it.  Entirely your right.  And other private property owners are doing what they want with theirs, which probably includes having to lease out hunting privileges just to pay the ever increasing costs of doing business as a farm/ranch etc. 

Getting mad at Chad for offering to lease is a little shortsighted.  It was going to happen sooner or later - landowners are having to make more money off of the land they have to take care of, and a lease also protects them from sue-happy idiots that think a great place for their old refrigerator is right down in that ditch.   Yes, we can be pi$$ed off that farmers are leasing instead of doing it the old way.  I lost a perfect situation for me when I lived in Spokane to a group that came in and leased up a over a thousand acres of ranch land with a 47 acre lake on it.  I shot my first deer there, first goose, first grouse, first "any kind of duck you can imagine", ground squirrel, hun, pheasant, coyote, etc.  Plus the lake had great fishing as well.  My Grandpa was good friends with the rancher and the guy liked me real well, too.  I practically lived there when I got old enough to drive - but one day I get down there and there are signs and a lock on the gate.  I got a "sorry, son" when I went to go ask if I could get a key.  Later learned from my Grandpa that he had to do it to keep the ranch going.  Beef was down and costs were up.  I was pretty tore up over it back then, but I understood.

So, I don't have access to any great private property on a handshake or help fixing fences any more.  I pay for access now - bought a Hancock permit again this year.  If I wanted to go duck hunting, with my limited time and virtually no duck gear left, I'd just go looking for a guide to pay to take me out now.  Probably not that Chad guy, tho - he looks like he's trying to win some sort of Brett Michaels look alike contest...

[Heredoggydoggy]

One time long ago, a guy I worked with answered an ad that he heard Paul Harvey advertise.  Because he was a great admirer of Paul Harvey, he thought his advertisers would be honest square dealers too.  Afterwards my workmate would go to great lengths to tell everyone what a "ripoff outfit" it was that advertised on the Paul Harvey show.  Another friend a while back said he was going to contact a firm that advertised in the NRA magazine because if they advertised there, they had to be a trustworthy company.  Bottom line is that paid advertising is exactly that--PAID advertising.  It's all about the money, not the credibility of the advertiser.  Caveat Emptor still applies! 

Edit:  I guess I should have made the message more clear to those who came to Washington from Rio Linda--What I was trying to say is that you should not judge an advertiser by the venue he pays to advertise in, and vice-versa.  Do your homework before you spend your money.  Assume nothing!  Not to say that all advertisers are bad.  Some genuinely want to give good value for their product or service.  Those are the people I do business with.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I know how H20 feels ...last year my boys were So excited to go duck hunting and one morning they call me up around 4 am telling me one of our spots I have hunted over 25 yrs was posted with huge signs saying BANDED HUNT Club ...No tresspassing !!!! Then they went to another spot and the same damn sign was there too .. This is the issue I have .. Our youth are being squeezed out of family traditions because it has become a greedy sport ...everyone see the dollar bills and how they have become the professional hunter ....I know we all see this different but I have to say I would never lease land to hunt from anyone ...I prefer getting permission where I can or hunting public lands...Public lands has lots of game but you need to but some effort into it ..I am totally against leasing land to hunt ....Just is setting the stage for disaster and actually it has already started !!!!  

[Mr56Jeep]

i have some private land that has some good duck huntn on it, well i just found out that it was turned into a no shootn zone, well a cop came to my house and made me aware of it but also said that it would be fairly easy to go to a county council meeting and get it to where a guy can atleast shoot shotguns, he even said he would accompany to these county council meetings, if i set somethn up and can get it back to a shotgun zone, i would be willing to let you use my land for your duck huntn service for free.

Side note:  WWA might be able to help with your "no shootn zone" issue.

[CAMPMEAT]

What I don't like about " Chad" is he plays waaaaaaaaay to much music during his predator show. If I wanted to listen to music, I'd turn on the radio.
I stopped recording and watching his show for that reason.

[bearpaw]

One time long ago, a guy I worked with answered an ad that he heard Paul Harvey advertise.  Because he was a great admirer of Paul Harvey, he thought his advertisers would be honest square dealers too.  Afterwards my workmate would go to great lengths to tell everyone what a "ripoff outfit" it was that advertised on the Paul Harvey show.  Another friend a while back said he was going to contact a firm that advertised in the NRA magazine because if they advertised there, they had to be a trustworthy company.  Bottom line is that paid advertising is exactly that--PAID advertising.  It's all about the money, not the credibility of the advertiser.  Caveat Emptor still applies! 

 

Ties back to this I believe.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=100746.0

THANKS,
Like I said, if there is a legitimate reason they should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out. This sounds like one hunter irritated at another, we've certainly seen that online before. We need to see something of substance, neither members or sponsors should be banned for unproven claims. 

As posted in this topic previously, if there is a legitimate reason Banded should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out. Show us that they have broken laws, ripped off customers, or used porn in advertising and we'll reconsider their sponsorship.

Thus far, I see some guys who are upset with Chad a guy who is associated with Banded becuase they don't like the way he looks or the fact that he leased waterfowl hunting ground from farmers who have a right to lease to anyone they desire. My guess is that the guy from the state tried to lowball the landowners on the lease fees, Chad came in and offered more money and the landowner accepted, that's how free enterprise systems work.

I don't blame the landowner for opting for the higher lease fees and I don't blame anyone for trying to lease the ground for their business. My guess is that banded hunts will be looking for some Washington based hunting guides to run the hunts. I hope that some forum members can benefit from the employment opportunity and have a good time in the process.

I suggest the displaced hunters meet with the state and work up a plan for the state to offer the landowner a better deal. In spite of all the socialism in this world I am happy to see that landowners still have the right to do with their land somewhat as they please. I would also remind everyone that Washington hunters are blessed with roughly 50% public ownership of all land within the state.

I have seen nothing proving Banded has broken any laws, ripped off any customers, or crossed the line with their advertising. Members on this forum have posted far more revealing photos than the Banded advertisement which merely showed girls washing a truck who are clothed better than most girls walking the street on a hot summer day.

What I have seen is a representative from Banded who has handled himself and represented Banded in a most dignified manner in answering to the members of this forum. This leads me to believe that Banded is a company that will answer to their customers, they are concerned about their reputation, and a company I might want to do business with.

[Mr56Jeep]

I think the sad part is that this flys in the face of the WDFW doing such a good thing by going out of their way to open up quality private land to the public.

That and the fact that Chad isn't the personality most of us want representing us as waterfowl hunters in the public eye.

[300rum]

I am glad you said something Bearpaw, this thread just doens't sit right with me either (especially since it is on the sponsors own page).  If you are going to call someone out for making a living, you had better have something more than what was presented.  So far, to me, it is just sour grapes and I don't know why we are even allowing it on this site?

I would like to personally thank all the sponsors of this site, it is good to see people making a go at it in the hunting/outdoors industry.   

One time long ago, a guy I worked with answered an ad that he heard Paul Harvey advertise.  Because he was a great admirer of Paul Harvey, he thought his advertisers would be honest square dealers too.  Afterwards my workmate would go to great lengths to tell everyone what a "ripoff outfit" it was that advertised on the Paul Harvey show.  Another friend a while back said he was going to contact a firm that advertised in the NRA magazine because if they advertised there, they had to be a trustworthy company.  Bottom line is that paid advertising is exactly that--PAID advertising.  It's all about the money, not the credibility of the advertiser.  Caveat Emptor still applies! 

 

Ties back to this I believe.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=100746.0

THANKS,
Like I said, if there is a legitimate reason they should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out. This sounds like one hunter irritated at another, we've certainly seen that online before. We need to see something of substance, neither members or sponsors should be banned for unproven claims. 

As posted in this topic previously, if there is a legitimate reason Banded should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out. Show us that they have broken laws, ripped off customers, or used porn in advertising and we'll reconsider their sponsorship.

Thus far, I see some guys who are upset with Chad a guy who is associated with Banded becuase they don't like the way he looks or the fact that he leased waterfowl hunting ground from farmers who have a right to lease to anyone they desire. My guess is that the guy from the state tried to lowball the landowners on the lease fees, Chad came in and offered more money and the landowner accepted, that's how free enterprise systems work.

I don't blame the landowner for opting for the higher lease fees and I don't blame anyone for trying to lease the ground for their business. My guess is that banded hunts will be looking for some Washington based hunting guides to run the hunts. I hope that some forum members can benefit from the employment opportunity and have a good time in the process.

I suggest the displaced hunters meet with the state and work up a plan for the state to offer the landowner a better deal. In spite of all the socialism in this world I am happy to see that landowners still have the right to do with their land somewhat as they please. I would also remind everyone that Washington hunters are blessed with roughly 50% public ownership of all land within the state.

I have seen nothing proving Banded has broken any laws, ripped off any customers, or crossed the line with their advertising. Members on this forum have posted far more revealing photos than the Banded advertisement which merely showed girls washing a truck who are clothed better than most girls walking the street on a hot summer day.

What I have seen is a representative from Banded who has handled himself and represented Banded in a most dignified manner in answering to the members of this forum. This leads me to believe that Banded is a company that will answer to their customers, they are concerned about their reputation, and a company I might want to do business with.

[Maverick]

What's it cost to be a sponsor? Like $25? How much does it cost a year to run this site?

[gunnarnewt]

I don't understand H20's anger over this, we've been dealing with people leasing up all the prime hunting around the Basin my whole life (clubs and guides) and all we've been told over and over is "we need to learn to deal with it!" So I guess what i'm trying to say is Adapt, and learn to deal with it! Banded sounds like an incredibly patient and decent person to put up with the rhetoric IMHO. 

[CCurtis]

I paid $100 bucks to put a banner on top of the site and get my head beat in!  Hahaha...Never paid for a "butt-whoopin" before!

[h20hunter]

Not having a stake in this but understanding the different sides of the discussion I think Dale has put it best. Also, whether the dude in the hat looks like a Rick Springfield wanna be or not...CCurtis so far has been nothing but respectul of the site members.

[CCurtis]

Guys,

Greatly appreciate the supportive posts and PM's.  Appreciate them, but they aren't necessary.  I'm a big boy and I realize that there are some people that are living in fear of losing their free places to hunt just like there are lots of people that live in fear of going to the mailbox once a month and a check not being in there.  I don't see things the same as either one of these groups.  There's nothing I can say or do as a representative of myself or Banded to change that.

What I can say is that through all this I've learned that I made the right choice by sponsoring this site and that the major reason that this thread started was "Sponsors Should be Screened"...Well the title of the thread should be changed to say "All Sponsors Should be Screened to Make Sure They Aren't Guides That Lease Land"...Much more accurate.

I have already met some great people on here...heck they all seem great just some have different viewpoints than I and that's what makes this country great!  I look forward to many great discussions here and we've got some exciting Hunt Washington Exclusives coming!  As far as this thread, I feel like I've answered all that has been asked and we're to the point of a lot of "yeah, what he said" posts.  So, now we're just beating the preverbal dead horse which happens quite often on the internet.  If you have any more questions or comments regarding this, feel free to pm me...unless of course it makes you feel better to "pound on me" in public, you're welcomed to do that and I will respond as I have to all the rest.

Thanks to everyone!

Christian

[Heredoggydoggy]

I paid $100 bucks to put a banner on top of the site and get my head beat in!  Hahaha...Never paid for a "butt-whoopin" before!

Don't let it get you down.  Even a site like this has its share of Obama-voters!