questions for you suppressor guys

[yorketransport]

I've been playing around with the idea of getting a suppressor and I thought I'd ask the advice of you folks who have first hand experience.

Right now I'm torn between getting a 30 caliber or a 338 caliber. The only 30 caliber I have right now is my 300 WSM. My thought was that a 30 cal can would work on a smaller 6.5-7mm caliber in the future. Since I don't see anyone making 6.5 mm specific suppressors, I assume that you guys are using 30 cal versions. If that's the case, Do you feel like it's effective enough on the smaller bore diameter?

The other option is to get a larger bore suppressor for the 338 or possibly 375. I tend to shoot more of the medium bore calibers than I do small bore stuff. I already have a few 338s and the 375 BME which would be fun with the suppressor on them. Then I could also run the same unit on the 300 WSM as well.

Right now I'm just thinking out loud trying to plan next years build. I haven't had time to play with the stuff I built this year, but that's not going to stop me

Andrew

[danshae]

i have a holland break on my 7 stw and it is amazing.ive shot it many times without hearing protection and no problem.years ago i had a old school break with all the holes in it and i shot it without plugs and quite sure i lost hearing over it.love this one and recoil is less than my 243 and i shoot 180 bergers in it.

[h2ofowlr]

I would pick up a .308 and have it suppressed!  You want a load below the sound barrier or you still get a crack, unless your just going for noise reduction!

[CAMPMEAT]

i have a holland break on my 7 stw and it is amazing.ive shot it many times without hearing protection and no problem.years ago i had a old school break with all the holes in it and i shot it without plugs and quite sure i lost hearing over it.love this one and recoil is less than my 243 and i shoot 180 bergers in it.

He's not asking about " brakes ", suppressors are completely a different animal.

[yorketransport]

I would pick up a .308 and have it suppressed!  You want a load below the sound barrier or you still get a crack, unless your just going for noise reduction!

The goal is to make the guns more fun for my kids to shoot. I don't like muzzle brakes because of the increased noise. Even brakes like the Holland or Muscle brake make the gun significantly louder. It's just not as bad for the shooter. You don't want to be sitting to the side of any of these brakes. When I take my kids out, especially my son, the noise is what scares them. A suppressor helps with both the recoil and noise. Plus it looks cool.

Also, I've loaded subsonic rounds for all of my guns. All it takes is a case full of Trail Boss powder and a heavy bullet.

Andrew

Andrew

[Jim the Plumber]

I run a 30 cal can on my 6.5 Lapua and it works great.
The 338 and up sized cans are typically larger and heavier than the 30 cal cans,
also cost more.
 The suppressors do not cut recoil as much as a good brake does, so keep that in mind also.

[JohnVH]

Id like to get one can and put it onto multiple rifles, someday..

[Atroxus]

How much if any is suppressor performance affected by using it on a caliber smaller than what the supressor was designed for? For example using a .30 caliber suppressor on a .223.

[jaymark6655]

How much if any is suppressor performance affected by using it on a caliber smaller than what the supressor was designed for? For example using a .30 caliber suppressor on a .223.

Had a guy on the range I visit shooting a .223 with a .30 cal  supressor said that he thought his suppressor was better than having a .223 suppressor.  Even though the baffle holes were bigger the spaces for gas to expand where larger and the suppressor "seemed" to be a little quiter than the a .223 one.  The AR shooting normal ammo, seemed pretty quiet (probably quietier than my .22lr) to me even with action noise and the sonic crack.  I bet it does wiegh more though, but paying one price for the ability to suppress multiple calibers seems worth it.

[huntandjeep]

How much if any is suppressor performance affected by using it on a caliber smaller than what the supressor was designed for? For example using a .30 caliber suppressor on a .223.

Had a guy on the range I visit shooting a .223 with a .30 cal  supressor said that he thought his suppressor was better than having a .223 suppressor.  Even though the baffle holes were bigger the spaces for gas to expand where larger and the suppressor "seemed" to be a little quiter than the a .223 one.  The AR shooting normal ammo, seemed pretty quiet (probably quietier than my .22lr) to me even with action noise and the sonic crack.  I bet it does wiegh more though, but paying one price for the ability to suppress multiple calibers seems worth it.

   Recently bought on for my AR and was thinking of having my 22 .250 barrel threaded. Was told yes it works but I would be better off buying a .308 can to use on my 22 .250. Graeat htere goes another $1000 

[mpjduff]

where can you get one made for the 300 or 270.
any one know a company

[Fuzzy]

i would say from .308 on down to 6mm with a .30 cal can you would hardly hear any difference. once you start going below 6mm the effectivenes goes down. theres just too much space around the bullet

[jaymark6655]

where can you get one made for the 300 or 270.
any one know a company

Surefire is pretty nice.  The ones they make are heavy, but use inconel.

[rbros]

The 308 can's work great on 22-250 and up.  There just doesn't seem to be enough gas on 223's to make them quiet.  That is why most 223 can's are alot smaller in diameter and designed a little differently and don't suggest using them with 22-250's.  I use my 30 cal Thunderbeast on my 22-250AI on up to 300WM's.  The Ultramags take a 338 can due to the volume of gas.  Standard 30 cal can's will work on the 7mm and 300 Ultra, but don't last very long.

[Atroxus]

The 308 can's work great on 22-250 and up.  There just doesn't seem to be enough gas on 223's to make them quiet.  That is why most 223 can's are alot smaller in diameter and designed a little differently and don't suggest using them with 22-250's.  I use my 30 cal Thunderbeast on my 22-250AI on up to 300WM's.  The Ultramags take a 338 can due to the volume of gas.  Standard 30 cal can's will work on the 7mm and 300 Ultra, but don't last very long.

I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this. According to Wikipedia both .223 and .22-250 use the same .224 inch diameter bullet...I would think less expanding gas would make a suppressor more effective rather than less. You said your magnums need a larger can to compensate for more gasses right? 

[rbros]

Same bullet diameter yes.....the 22-250 has way more gas volume than a 223.  Most suppressor manufacturers suggest using a 30 cal can on the 22-250's due to the extra powder being burned which creates more pressure and gas.  The whole concept of a can is to redirect and slow down the gas away from the bullet.

[JohnVH]

any places do all the work for you? (paperwork)

[huntandjeep]

any places do all the work for you? (paperwork)

   Anywhere you buy a supressor will have the paperwork. You buy the can , they fill out the serial # for the can. Give you that ,fingerprints cards,a form for the local LEO to sign. Take the form and print cards to local LEO pay $20 to get printed, have LEO sign form. Once thats done send all that plus $200 check to the FBI then wait. I bought my can the middle of March and im still waiting for the Feds to send back my stamp so I can go get my can.

[JohnVH]

oh, thought there was more to it, whats all the talk about trusts and all that about then?

[Swannytheswan]

alot of ppl put the can in a trust so that when you die you can pass it on to your children or whoever you would like if it is just in your name I believe it has to be destroyed upon your death whereas if it is owned by a trust then the executor can be changed...at least that is how I understand it i am no lawyer so its just my 

[JohnVH]

can you ever sell a can after you buy one?

[huntandjeep]

can you ever sell a can after you buy one?

   Why would you want to    just kidding not sure on this one.

[CAMPMEAT]

If any of you guys wanna setup a trust, I know a lawyer out of Maltby that does them. I could PM you his info if you like. It's something like Northwest Gun Group.

[yorketransport]

You can also buy one as a corporation. That's what I plan to do. Since a corporation is a nameless, faceless entity, you can get around the LEO signature. Some local LEOs are not signing off on the paper work.

What are the brands which you guys prefer? I'm familiar with Gemtec, Surefire, YHM, AAC, and Quick Silver. What others are out there which are worth looking at for a 300 WM can?

Andrew

[jaymark6655]

You can also buy one as a corporation. That's what I plan to do. Since a corporation is a nameless, faceless entity, you can get around the LEO signature. Some local LEOs are not signing off on the paper work.

What are the brands which you guys prefer? I'm familiar with Gemtec, Surefire, YHM, AAC, and Quick Silver. What others are out there which are worth looking at for a 300 WM can?

Andrew

I think the trust is used to avoid the leo signature too.

If you use Surefire and their flash suppressor than its a quick disconnect setup.  There is a point of impact shift between suppressed and unsuppressed, but no weird flyers and then walking into the new point impact while the suppressor "seats" like on other QD cans.

[Todd_ID]

can you ever sell a can after you buy one?

Yeah, it's the same process as buying one from a manufacturer...buyer applies for and receives a transfer tax stamp specific to the serial number of the suppressor being sold.

[Raul Duke]

I bought my can the middle of March and im still waiting for the Feds to send back my stamp so I can go get my can.

I paid for my can in Aug, only to later find out its on back order.  Still waiting for my serial #