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[Stilly bay]

Is there some type of study that supports this or is this just a theory of yours?

just thought I would add;     

[Happy Gilmore]

Is there some type of study that supports this or is this just a theory of yours?

just thought I would add;     

To start with....chocolate factoring is a recessive gene. Some folks who breed chocolates don't even know what that means. It's like letting two gingers breed.. 

[Stilly bay]

Is there some type of study that supports this or is this just a theory of yours?

just thought I would add;     

To start with....chocolate factoring is a recessive gene. Some folks who breed chocolates don't even know what that means. It's like letting two gingers breed.. 

is that another one of your crazy crack pot theories?     next I suppose you will try and tell us the earth is round. yeesh.

all I know for sure is that only another Ginger may call another Ginger "Ginger".


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[Russ McDonald]

Where were we now.  Oh the op is looking for a dog here is a link for you http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,108470.msg1420623.html#msg1420623

[JBar]

Being a ginger I take offence to that! Since chocolate factoring is a recessive gene that would put chessies where? Oh I know 5 beers short of a six pack!  OFA and all that don't guarantee anything they just increase your chances for a healthier dog. My back yard breeder chocholate will be 12 in January to see him in the field you wouldn't know he's that old. He was an oops and we picked up our oops almost twelve years ago ran him through all the hunt test crap wife got his senior title got tired of the hunt test scene. Best 200 we ever spent!!! Now my pro bred black with all the cerf OFA certs in his back ground developed elbow problems at around 8 1/2. Both dogs have been run HARD every year so all things being equal in care and activity level the chocholate has way better health. My 

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[Stilly bay]

Being a ginger I take offence to that! Since chocolate factoring is a recessive gene that would put chessies where? Oh I know 5 beers short of a six pack!  OFA and all that don't guarantee anything they just increase your chances for a healthier dog. My back yard breeder chocholate will be 12 in January to see him in the field you wouldn't know he's that old. He was an oops and we picked up our oops almost twelve years ago ran him through all the hunt test crap wife got his senior title got tired of the hunt test scene. Best 200 we ever spent!!! Now my pro bred black with all the cerf OFA certs in his back ground developed elbow problems at around 8 1/2. Both dogs have been run HARD every year so all things being equal in care and activity level the chocholate has way better health. My 

sounds like you have a great dog and a great deal of good luck. surely not every dog back yard bred uncertified will be train wreck. probably not even half of them. but if I want to gamble the next ten years of my hunting life with a dog I want to make sure I have as many good odds on my side as possible before I roll the dice.

but to weigh your one positive personal experience against all the responsible lab breeders that get their dogs hips, eyes, and elbows checked out really doesn't amount to much. its like saying you had unprotected sex with a prostitute and didn't get an STD so there for all the people with aids, herpes, ect must be irrelevant.

if more people are aware of the genetic problems that can occur in labs (and many other breeds), then hopefully fewer people will purchase from unscrupulous breeders that don't get the parents checked out. if fewer people buy from these breeders hopefully someday their market will dry up and and there will be no more breeding of dogs that have bad hips, bad elbow, or blindness.

[Happy Gilmore]

Being a ginger I take offence to that! Since chocolate factoring is a recessive gene that would put chessies where? Oh I know 5 beers short of a six pack!  OFA and all that don't guarantee anything they just increase your chances for a healthier dog. My back yard breeder chocholate will be 12 in January to see him in the field you wouldn't know he's that old. He was an oops and we picked up our oops almost twelve years ago ran him through all the hunt test crap wife got his senior title got tired of the hunt test scene. Best 200 we ever spent!!! Now my pro bred black with all the cerf OFA certs in his back ground developed elbow problems at around 8 1/2. Both dogs have been run HARD every year so all things being equal in care and activity level the chocholate has way better health. My 

Do you know what the OFA's are and what they look for? You can't have "OFA's in the Background" if a breeder told you that, they really pulled one over your eyes. OFA score is unique to every dog as your fingerprint. OFA does not "increase chances". OFA can't even be done on a dog until they are two. OFA is a YES/NO anwswer. Chessies are inbred as can be. Their entire gene pool is said to have originated from two dogs. Also to note, chessies don't get bred for specific color trait factors. They come in a variety of colors with or without markings which are all perfectly acceptable by long time breed standards. Mix and match. You can't do that with labs. You breed different colored labs without knowing their color factor and you can make some serious messes.

I'm part ginger so I can talk smack according to the video above...

What I want to know is why would you buy a dog from someone who for about the price of ONE PUPPY (at $350) won't even go do the most basic tests which will increase your chances of the dog being healthy for a long time? Why?

The answer is that most folks don't want to know that they SHOULD NOT BE BREEDING THEIR DOGS!

[cem3434]

Is there some type of study that supports this or is this just a theory of yours?

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This is a legitimate question and I dont think that you or Happy can produce any document that supports your arguement.  Until you do, its your theory and/or opinion. 

I understand that the chocolates came from a recessive gene, but that doesnt mean that chocolates are more prone to health issues.  That is like saying that both of your parents had perfect eye sight, but you ended up needing glasses so all of your kids now have the same recessive gene. 

All I am asking for is some evidence because I have never seen or heard anything supporting Happy's statement from earlier.  I know Happy is very knowledgable about dogs, so I am asking for him to educate all of us. 

[Stilly bay]

Is there some type of study that supports this or is this just a theory of yours?

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This is a legitimate question and I dont think that you or Happy can produce any document that supports your arguement.  Until you do, its your theory and/or opinion. 

I understand that the chocolates came from a recessive gene, but that doesnt mean that chocolates are more prone to health issues.  That is like saying that both of your parents had perfect eye sight, but you ended up needing glasses so all of your kids now have the same recessive gene. 

All I am asking for is some evidence because I have never seen or heard anything supporting Happy's statement from earlier.  I know Happy is very knowledgable about dogs, so I am asking for him to educate all of us. 

 not trying to be rude but just do a google search and you will find a wealth of information about it. its pretty much common knowledge at least in lab circles, and at the very least its no secret.

[cem3434]

Well it must not be very common because I checked out Google and I was unable to find anything that support your theory. Everything on Google pretty much supports the idea that the color has nothing to do with the overall health of the breed.

I dont like to rely on Google for answering all of lifes questions, that why I was asking some of you guys that are very knowlegdable.  Can you not provide all of us with something to support your theory? 

[JBar]

Stilly -you're absolutely right we got very lucky with our first dog and I am not recommending to anyone to buy from a backyard breeder or puppy mill. My example was just showing that OFA doesn't mean your pro bred dog won't have problems but does increase your chances at healthy dog for years to come.

Happy, no need to get your panties in a wad, I'm just playing with you about the Chessie thing must have hit a nerve. You can have OFA in a dogs background, what I am referring to as background is the parents,grandparents and great grandparents look at a pedigree it will have the dogs OFA# listed next to each dog on your pups pedigree. If that's missing then you are risking it like I did with our first dog.

I may not convey what I'm saying very well (and still may not be)but I do know my way around a bit.

 As you said the OFA can be done and certified only after a dog is two and the dog has that certification # for life but that doesn't mean the dog won't have hip or elbow problems when it's older as there are too many variables that can cause problems. And to put it simple sh*t wears out with age, hell come talk to me when you turn 40 or 50 we'll see how your body is holding up. To someone who doesn't know, you were making it sound like if you have all these things you'll never have a problem. If Highside is looking for a pup all he has to look at is the "background" of the litter because as you said dogs can't get an OFA# until they're two and until then there are NO guarantees the dog won't have problems.

[JBar]

Oh and Highside do your research and educate yourself and you'll make the right decision when the time comes. Visit multiple breeders look at the pups and leave the kids at home the first time you go look at a litter. Too many times the wrong pup was bought on impulse because the kids think "they're so cute" please daddy please!! Once you decide on a breeder and a litter bring the kids back to see them. Don't get caught up on color either you may look at a litter and the cute fuzzy little black or yellow one may just be for you.

[highside74]

I was starting to feel like I got  Hey, has anyone seen my wallet?

[Caseyd]

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