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After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« on: November 09, 2012, 07:50:00 AM »
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107

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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 07:53:11 AM »
Funny how this happens after the election.... Thanks America....  :bash:

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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2012, 08:01:29 AM »
Obama, via a statement issued by Hillary Clinton, reversed America's previous opposition to this treaty under Bush and entered into negotiations with the UN back in 2009

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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 08:42:03 AM »
That and appointment of new Supreme Court justices during this term...
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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 08:48:34 AM »
The UN small arms treaty does not effect US gun ownership in any meaningful way.

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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 08:57:22 AM »
define your idea of meaningful
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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2012, 09:07:43 AM »
define your idea of meaningful


The treaty will not change in any way what an American citizen is legal to own. It will also not register any firearm purchase by an American except in the case where an American citizen buys a gun directly from a foreign manufacturer. However, tracking high end European O/U shotguns is not the purpose of this treaty.

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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2012, 09:20:28 AM »
So I just have to give up Glocks, Ak clones and cheap ammo.... or will it just jack the prices up to where its not worth buying stuff.  Yep won't effect me at all (sarcasm).
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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 09:28:30 AM »
No matter what Obama and Hillary do, the treaty would still have to be ratified by Congress.  An international treaty cannot supercede the Constitution.  Any changes to it have to be via amendment.
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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 09:40:17 AM »
So I just have to give up Glocks, Ak clones and cheap ammo.... or will it just jack the prices up to where its not worth buying stuff.  Yep won't effect me at all (sarcasm).

No you won’t. If you buy the items from an American shop, your transaction will not be recorded. The transaction between the foreign manufacturer and the American distributor is recorded by a 3rd party. That is all. The entire purpose of the treaty is to create a paper trail to track how rebel, insurgent, and terror groups (IE. Our enemies) acquire their weapons.

The countries involved with the treaty make a lot of money in the arms trade. They are not going to risk losing revenue, especially to the US civilian market. Especially since the treaty is voluntary and the UN can’t make anyone do anything. It's even more superficial because we all know that if America wants to arm a particular group, it's going to do it anyway and everyone knows that.

I don’t particularly like the treaty. Who knows if the next reasonable, democratic revolution from wherever will be unable to arm itself against its oppressors because of this. But as  US citizen customers, this treaty will not affect us at all.

If I had a say, I would vote against it. The only reason I keep defending it is because the hysteria surrounding it isn’t based in fact. The blue helmets aren’t coming for your guns.

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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 09:43:16 AM »
define your idea of meaningful


The treaty will not change in any way what an American citizen is legal to own. It will also not register any firearm purchase by an American except in the case where an American citizen buys a gun directly from a foreign manufacturer. However, tracking high end European O/U shotguns is not the purpose of this treaty.
I would have to read it before I bought into it.
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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2012, 09:47:36 AM »
You can read all about it here:

http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/SALW/

Snopes has a pretty decent summary here:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2012, 09:50:00 AM »
This just baby steps Maggy, just a few baby steps.

The first few steps always seem innocuous; until that toddler is running around getting into everything.

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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2012, 09:59:37 AM »
Yep snopes said that legal trade would not be affecting...meaning register the firearm and its now legal.

"Governments have a responsibility to ensure public safety and they have an interest in providing human security and development to their citizens. So they should ensure that small arms from Government stocks or from private ownership are not misused and do not enter illicit circuits, where their use may contribute to instability and to exacerbating poverty.

To attain those goals, within the UN, countries have agreed on several commitments on small arms control: the Firearms Protocol, the Programme of Action on small arms - including an Instrument on marking and tracing - and the Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials. "


Directly from the UN.  Just the first baby steps mags.

As for it needed to be ratified, yeah I trust those two to follow the rules (sacasm).
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Re: After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2012, 10:09:56 AM »
That doesn't say anything about any new registration regulations. More than that, the UN legally can't compel the US to increase regulation of any kind within the borders of America.

Furthermore, the final draft of the treaty isn't even final, let alone agreed upon.

 


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