After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks

[Bigshooter]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107

If you voted for Obama you should just turn your guns in now.

[B-Nut]

Funny how this happens after the election.... Thanks America.... 

[CedarPants]

Obama, via a statement issued by Hillary Clinton, reversed America's previous opposition to this treaty under Bush and entered into negotiations with the UN back in 2009

[Bob33]

That and appointment of new Supreme Court justices during this term...

[magnanimous_j]

The UN small arms treaty does not effect US gun ownership in any meaningful way.

[Woodchuck]

define your idea of meaningful

[magnanimous_j]

define your idea of meaningful

The treaty will not change in any way what an American citizen is legal to own. It will also not register any firearm purchase by an American except in the case where an American citizen buys a gun directly from a foreign manufacturer. However, tracking high end European O/U shotguns is not the purpose of this treaty.

[jaymark6655]

So I just have to give up Glocks, Ak clones and cheap ammo.... or will it just jack the prices up to where its not worth buying stuff.  Yep won't effect me at all (sarcasm).

[JLS]

No matter what Obama and Hillary do, the treaty would still have to be ratified by Congress.  An international treaty cannot supercede the Constitution.  Any changes to it have to be via amendment.

[magnanimous_j]

So I just have to give up Glocks, Ak clones and cheap ammo.... or will it just jack the prices up to where its not worth buying stuff.  Yep won't effect me at all (sarcasm).

No you won’t. If you buy the items from an American shop, your transaction will not be recorded. The transaction between the foreign manufacturer and the American distributor is recorded by a 3rd party. That is all. The entire purpose of the treaty is to create a paper trail to track how rebel, insurgent, and terror groups (IE. Our enemies) acquire their weapons.

The countries involved with the treaty make a lot of money in the arms trade. They are not going to risk losing revenue, especially to the US civilian market. Especially since the treaty is voluntary and the UN can’t make anyone do anything. It's even more superficial because we all know that if America wants to arm a particular group, it's going to do it anyway and everyone knows that.

I don’t particularly like the treaty. Who knows if the next reasonable, democratic revolution from wherever will be unable to arm itself against its oppressors because of this. But as  US citizen customers, this treaty will not affect us at all.

If I had a say, I would vote against it. The only reason I keep defending it is because the hysteria surrounding it isn’t based in fact. The blue helmets aren’t coming for your guns.

[Woodchuck]

define your idea of meaningful

The treaty will not change in any way what an American citizen is legal to own. It will also not register any firearm purchase by an American except in the case where an American citizen buys a gun directly from a foreign manufacturer. However, tracking high end European O/U shotguns is not the purpose of this treaty.

I would have to read it before I bought into it.

[magnanimous_j]

You can read all about it here:

http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/SALW/

Snopes has a pretty decent summary here:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

[KFhunter]

This just baby steps Maggy, just a few baby steps.

The first few steps always seem innocuous; until that toddler is running around getting into everything.

[jaymark6655]

Yep snopes said that legal trade would not be affecting...meaning register the firearm and its now legal.

"Governments have a responsibility to ensure public safety and they have an interest in providing human security and development to their citizens. So they should ensure that small arms from Government stocks or from private ownership are not misused and do not enter illicit circuits, where their use may contribute to instability and to exacerbating poverty.

To attain those goals, within the UN, countries have agreed on several commitments on small arms control: the Firearms Protocol, the Programme of Action on small arms - including an Instrument on marking and tracing - and the Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials. "


Directly from the UN.  Just the first baby steps mags.

As for it needed to be ratified, yeah I trust those two to follow the rules (sacasm).

[magnanimous_j]

That doesn't say anything about any new registration regulations. More than that, the UN legally can't compel the US to increase regulation of any kind within the borders of America.

Furthermore, the final draft of the treaty isn't even final, let alone agreed upon.

[Bigshooter]

That doesn't say anything about any new registration regulations. More than that, the UN legally can't compel the US to increase regulation of any kind within the borders of America.

Furthermore, the final draft of the treaty isn't even final, let alone agreed upon.

Yep.  And now that he doesn't have to worry about reelection I can't wait to see what it will say.

[magnanimous_j]

That doesn't say anything about any new registration regulations. More than that, the UN legally can't compel the US to increase regulation of any kind within the borders of America.

Furthermore, the final draft of the treaty isn't even final, let alone agreed upon.

Yep.  And now that he doesn't have to worry about reelection I can't wait to see what it will say.

Well then wait until then before you start freaking out about it. As it sits now, it doesn't infringe upon our 2A rights.

[Bigshooter]

That doesn't say anything about any new registration regulations. More than that, the UN legally can't compel the US to increase regulation of any kind within the borders of America.

Furthermore, the final draft of the treaty isn't even final, let alone agreed upon.

Yep.  And now that he doesn't have to worry about reelection I can't wait to see what it will say.

Well then wait until then before you start freaking out about it. As it sits now, it doesn't infringe upon our 2A rights.

Or we could just wait until it becomes law and then see what's in it. 

[huntrights]

The threat is real, make no mistake about it!

Obama Administration Endorses New U.N. Arms Trade Treaty Negotiations

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/obama-administration-endorses-new-un-arms-trade-treaty-negotiations.aspx

[ICEMAN]

From the Reuters article;

The United States has denied it sought to delay negotiations for political reasons, saying it had genuine problems with the draft as written.

For some strange reason I find this hard to believe. 

[shorthair15]

thanks all you ding dongs for four more years of obama care. this un treaty is just the start. dont kid your self him and his buddy hillary will be sure to try and slip more things under the rug. dont blame me i voted for the other guy

[Mudman]

No matter what Obama and Hillary do, the treaty would still have to be ratified by Congress.  An international treaty cannot supercede the Constitution.  Any changes to it have to be via amendment.

There is a way around this for the president.  He doesnt bring it to a vote and keeps it in effect until he leaves office!!

[Special T]

the liberal/progressive agenda is REALLY good at accomplishing things in baby steps... I happended in this state in our recent election.  A few years ago the "Everything but marriage" partnerships were sold to us as a necessary thing because so many citizens were being denied their rights... It passed... This year we now have Gay Marrage... We were originally told that said group would be satisfied with their "rights" clarified and that a title was only that, and not important...

Its too bad that the Right cannot seem to accept incremental change...

There is a proverb that fits this issue perfectly.... How do you eat an Elephant? Once bite at a time...

[pianoman9701]

The UN small arms treaty does not effect US gun ownership in any meaningful way.

If this is true, why did Hillary pull our support for it before the election and then, re-affirm our support after the election? If what you say it true to the letter, the Arms Treaty could've been explained away as soon as it came up in a debate.

[Mudman]

People will believe what they choose but we all know whats up.  We must resist any infringement on our rights no matter what framework it may exist in.  Baby steps have been stealing away our rights for the last 75 years.  10 baby steps equal 3 giant steps for mankind!