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Oh boy, sounds like someone just opened a big 'ol can of worms.
Here's an idea, add an invisible fence receiver into those tracking collars and then put a wire around the park.
Don't want the Yellowstone Pack killed? Keep them within the Yellowstone boundaries anything outside the boundaries is fair game
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a "positive impact" on the park's wildlife/plants? What the??? Last I checked yellowstone park went from 20k elk to less than 5k. Yellowstone is dying thanks to a disease we introduced into the park called the wolf. This narrow minded approached from the pro-wolf folks is sickening. All they are about is the wolf...not any other animals.
Yes, those wolves have saved thousands of Montana people from having to take the time to go hunting and put meat in their freezer, thankfully we have those wolves to trim our herds by up to 90%. Wolves are our savior!
Quote from: asl20bball on January 05, 2013, 01:13:12 PMa "positive impact" on the park's wildlife/plants? What the??? Last I checked yellowstone park went from 20k elk to less than 5k. Yellowstone is dying thanks to a disease we introduced into the park called the wolf. This narrow minded approached from the pro-wolf folks is sickening. All they are about is the wolf...not any other animals.Actually, from a broad ecosystem perspective the wolves have helped the Northern Yellowstone range. The elk numbers there in the 90's were incredibly high, and you could see the overgrazing. That's why Montana was able to shoot hundreds of elk every year in the Gardiner late hunt, the numbers were way out of whack.Yellowstone is not dying from the wolves any more than it died from the '88 fires. They each have their place and have an ugly side to them too.I won't lose any sleep over this wolf being shot outside the park, collared or not. We shoot collared elk, deer, and sheep every year and I've never heard anyone complain about that.
So the elk would summer in the park and winter at the edge of the park/out of the park in the Yellowstone Valley. The only way Montanans could put a dent in the numbers was to shoot them in January and February when they came out of the park for lower winter range. There actually is quantifiable range data to show the improvements inside the park, but I'll let you look for them if you wish. I am guessing you don't want to see it and that's fine.
I am guessing that the number of wolves killed around the perimeter of the park has a very negligible affect on the number of wolves inside the park.
Quote from: JLS on January 05, 2013, 09:47:34 PMI am guessing that the number of wolves killed around the perimeter of the park has a very negligible affect on the number of wolves inside the park. I wouldn't be so sure about that!
Quote from: mdbuck5x5 on January 05, 2013, 09:58:12 PMQuote from: JLS on January 05, 2013, 09:47:34 PMI am guessing that the number of wolves killed around the perimeter of the park has a very negligible affect on the number of wolves inside the park. I wouldn't be so sure about that!That's right, because the park wolves are moving out of the park more often and even staying out of the park for extended periods hunting seasons have had a big impact on park wolves, that is why the MFWP Commission shut down wolf hunting in areas near the park, because the hunting season was having a big impact on park wolves. However, a judge reopened the season.
I still maintain that wolves were not needed to reduce the elk population, the agencies could have increased permit numbers for the migrating herds to reduce elk numbers. That is how wildlife management used to work.
I like how the wolf killed 15 miles from Yellowstone was "one of 5 killed in Yellowstione Park"...
I'm gona go out on a limb and guess that what JLM meant by wolves being beneficial to the park is directed a t the over grazing.What this should show is that if we want to maximize the amount of benefit from a resource they need management. If left to "balance itself out" it will, at a much lower level with a much lower level of benefit.