assault rifle 101

[JoeE]

I wish I knew about this sooner. All these years I've been attaching my sling to the grenade launcher platform.

[JoeE]

This is from the Chicago Tribune.

[ellensburgpo]

Can't believe the Army thought me wrong  

[savage.270]

Can we just take away Chicago's right to bear arms? when the media doesnt get their facts straight it is gold.

[Huntbear]

 

The title of this thread kills me......

When are people going to quit using the language of the leftist gun grabbers...   

[JoeE]

What's wrong with the title of the thread? I thought it was funny how uneducated the media is. And if the problem with the title is that I used the word "assault", what would you rather I call it?

[KFhunter]

There is a growing movement to no longer label these guns (AR's and the like) as "Assault" weapons as they are civilian semi-auto sporting rifles not intended to "Assault" but rather "Defend" and of course for sporting, hunting purposes.

true mil-spec rifles of the fully auto variety are as we know a different animal.

[viva_che1363]

i laughed out loud when i saw this the other day in the paper.

[KFhunter]

The title of this thread kills me......

When are people going to quit using the language of the leftist gun grabbers...   

Don't insult, educate.

[turkeyfeather]

The real question here is where can I get a grenade launcher to fit on the swivel.

[Huntbear]

What's wrong with the title of the thread? I thought it was funny how uneducated the media is. And if the problem with the title is that I used the word "assault", what would you rather I call it?

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Semi Automatic... Sporting Rifle....

I can think of any other than Assault Rifle... Because they are not Assault Rifles.. Without that selector switch.. they are nothing more than semi auto rifles used for target shooting, hunting and self defense.

The title of this thread kills me......

When are people going to quit using the language of the leftist gun grabbers...   

Don't insult, educate.

You are correct, and did not mean to insult...

An Assault Rifle is a weapon of war.  It is either fully automatic or it has a selector switch in place of the safety switch that allows it to go full auto or shoot 3 - 10 rd. bursts.

What we all own (for the most part, since I am sure there is some full auto people on here with tax stamp) are semi auto rifles, like a Ruger 10/22.  The rifles we all own and shoot are considered more dangerous because of the stocks and accessories that are on them, PERIOD.  So when they get these, be prepared for your Remingtion 1100/1187 or your kids .22 rifle or your Browning BAR in .308 to be considered an "Assault Weapon" by those that want to take guns

By using the left's terminology we fall right into their trap. 

[JoeE]

I hear you KFhunter. I carry an AR15 to work every night. It has a 16" barrel, collapseble stock, eotech sight and 30 round magazines. There is nothing sporting about it. Mine is with me in case I need it to stop a bad guy and that's the only reason I have it. So call it a battle rifle, assault rifle or whatever..but its not a sport gun.

Mine even has a grenade launcher platform swivel device 

[Fishstiq]

I hear you KFhunter. I carry an AR15 to work every night. It has a 16" barrel, collapseble stock, eotech sight and 30 round magazines. There is nothing sporting about it. Mine is with me in case I need it to stop a bad guy and that's the only reason I have it. So call it a battle rifle, assault rifle or whatever..but its not a sport gun.

Mine even has a grenade launcher platform swivel device 

Thousands of sporting shooters who use AR-15s would disagree with you. 

Just because you aren't using it as a sporting rifle doesn't mean it isn't one.  Covering my junk with a plastic grocery bag before coitus doesn't change the definition from grocery bag to prophylactic.

[Huntbear]

I hear you KFhunter. I carry an AR15 to work every night. It has a 16" barrel, collapseble stock, eotech sight and 30 round magazines. There is nothing sporting about it. Mine is with me in case I need it to stop a bad guy and that's the only reason I have it. So call it a battle rifle, assault rifle or whatever..but its not a sport gun.

Mine even has a grenade launcher platform swivel device 

You carry yours for work.  I carry mine for hunting, self defense in my home, competitve and target shooting..  Are they different weapons??  I do not think they are very different at all.  However, mine is a sporting weapon, through and through..   

I mean hell... lets call them murder weapons.. that is what the kid in CT, did right?  used his as a murder weapon?   Lets let the left gun grabbers go all the way with the terminology like they want.  Create more hysteria for the public, and just give in.

[JoeE]

I hear you KFhunter. I carry an AR15 to work every night. It has a 16" barrel, collapseble stock, eotech sight and 30 round magazines. There is nothing sporting about it. Mine is with me in case I need it to stop a bad guy and that's the only reason I have it. So call it a battle rifle, assault rifle or whatever..but its not a sport gun.

Mine even has a grenade launcher platform swivel device 

Thousands of sporting shooters who use AR-15s would disagree with you. 

Just because you aren't using it as a sporting rifle doesn't mean it isn't one.  Covering my junk with a plastic grocery bag before coitus doesn't change the definition from grocery bag to prophylactic.

Millions of law enforcement and military personel would disagree with you. The gun was designed to kill people. Plain and simple. You can sugar coat it however you want but the original intention of this gun is for combat, not coyote hunting or paper target shooting. 

[JoeE]

I hear you KFhunter. I carry an AR15 to work every night. It has a 16" barrel, collapseble stock, eotech sight and 30 round magazines. There is nothing sporting about it. Mine is with me in case I need it to stop a bad guy and that's the only reason I have it. So call it a battle rifle, assault rifle or whatever..but its not a sport gun.

Mine even has a grenade launcher platform swivel device 

You carry yours for work.  I carry mine for hunting, self defense in my home, competitve and target shooting..  Are they different weapons??  I do not think they are very different at all.  However, mine is a sporting weapon, through and through..   

I mean hell... lets call them murder weapons.. that is what the kid in CT, did right?  used his as a murder weapon?   Lets let the left gun grabbers go all the way with the terminology like they want.  Create more hysteria for the public, and just give in.

I see your point. And I get it. But I just can't call the M16 I carried in the Marine Corps or the AR I carry now sporting guns. I don't think we should be afraid of a term. I'm pretty sure my assault rifle is similar to your hunting rifle, except they serve a different purpose.

The real question is...can you mount a dagger like object on the end of yours and throw it like a spear like the article states? If I have to throw it like a spear I'm having a bad day and should probably start running.

[Fishstiq]

I hear you KFhunter. I carry an AR15 to work every night. It has a 16" barrel, collapseble stock, eotech sight and 30 round magazines. There is nothing sporting about it. Mine is with me in case I need it to stop a bad guy and that's the only reason I have it. So call it a battle rifle, assault rifle or whatever..but its not a sport gun.

Mine even has a grenade launcher platform swivel device 

Thousands of sporting shooters who use AR-15s would disagree with you. 

Just because you aren't using it as a sporting rifle doesn't mean it isn't one.  Covering my junk with a plastic grocery bag before coitus doesn't change the definition from grocery bag to prophylactic.

Millions of law enforcement and military personel would disagree with you. The gun was designed to kill people. Plain and simple. You can sugar coat it however you want but the original intention of this gun is for combat, not coyote hunting or paper target shooting.

The military uses the M16A2, not the AR-15, which is a completely different classification of firearm, so let's go ahead and take that out of the equasion. 

Yes, many law enforcement officers use this rifle, but they are vastly, almost comically outnumbered by the number of privately owned AR-15 rifles in this country.  Those private citizens did not purchase these rifles out of a desire to kill anyone.  They did not purchase them as weapons of war.  They purchased them as varminters, target shooters, and self or home defense options, and they are the majority of AR-15 owners/users by a long shot (no pun intended).

I know it may not sound like it, but I think we agree.  The M16 used by the military is not a sporting rifle.  As a para-military organization, I believe LE should have access to the M16 as well, as their applications for the rifle are often close to the military's.  There is a stark difference between the M16 and it's civilian counterpart though, and that distinction should be addressed in the verbiage we use.

Now, can someone please tell me how to attach my pocket knife to the sling loop?

[turkeyfeather]

I hear you KFhunter. I carry an AR15 to work every night. It has a 16" barrel, collapseble stock, eotech sight and 30 round magazines. There is nothing sporting about it. Mine is with me in case I need it to stop a bad guy and that's the only reason I have it. So call it a battle rifle, assault rifle or whatever..but its not a sport gun.

Mine even has a grenade launcher platform swivel device 

Thousands of sporting shooters who use AR-15s would disagree with you. 

Just because you aren't using it as a sporting rifle doesn't mean it isn't one.  Covering my junk with a plastic grocery bag before coitus doesn't change the definition from grocery bag to prophylactic.

Millions of law enforcement and military personel would disagree with you. The gun was designed to kill people. Plain and simple. You can sugar coat it however you want but the original intention of this gun is for combat, not coyote hunting or paper target shooting. 

By that argument then none of us should be allowed to own a 1911 either. That was designed for the military.

[bobcat]

What's wrong with guns that are designed to kill people? That's why we have our 2nd amendment rights.

[Huntbear]

I hear you KFhunter. I carry an AR15 to work every night. It has a 16" barrel, collapseble stock, eotech sight and 30 round magazines. There is nothing sporting about it. Mine is with me in case I need it to stop a bad guy and that's the only reason I have it. So call it a battle rifle, assault rifle or whatever..but its not a sport gun.

Mine even has a grenade launcher platform swivel device 

Thousands of sporting shooters who use AR-15s would disagree with you. 

Just because you aren't using it as a sporting rifle doesn't mean it isn't one.  Covering my junk with a plastic grocery bag before coitus doesn't change the definition from grocery bag to prophylactic.

Millions of law enforcement and military personel would disagree with you. The gun was designed to kill people. Plain and simple. You can sugar coat it however you want but the original intention of this gun is for combat, not coyote hunting or paper target shooting. 

By that argument then none of us should be allowed to own a 1911 either. That was designed for the military.

or an M1 Garand, or ? 

All guns are designed to kill, by nature of what they are.  It is the person with the gun in their hand that must be responsible and legal and moral.  Otherwise, hell, we would have 1000s of people dieing every hunting season.. since guns are designed to kill, I am not finding a deer or elk.. just kill a person...  the gun made me do it..  sounds like a real Obama like argument to me...

[Bean Counter]

What's wrong with guns that are designed to kill people? That's why we have our 2nd amendment rights.

Heck yeah!

[Bean Counter]

I prefer the term "Sport Utility Rifle" myself. 

[Skillet]

What's wrong with guns that are designed to kill people? That's why we have our 2nd amendment rights.

Bingo.  It's the possibility of a violent uprising against those that no longer govern by popular vote, but presume to rule by oppression, that keeps the balance of power fit and proper.

[BULLBLASTER]

I just call my ar "one of my guns" I see it as no different than any other rifle I have... I don't attach a stigma to any certain types of guns. They're all the same... just guns... sure they look different and operate different but in the end all they really do is spit lead out the end.
Btw they must have forgot my bayonetspear and grenade attachment when mine was built... hell it doesn't even have a strap attachment point. 

[arees]

I have an .69 caliber Springfield muzzle loader, a trap door 45-70 and an 1851 Navy cap and ball revolver.  All of them were specifically designed as military weapons.  They were designed to kill people.  They still work to kill people.  One even has a bayonet.

Should those be banned as well?

[DBHAWTHORNE]

The 2nd ammendment has nothing to do with "Sporting" arms so I don't think it matters what you call it

[ellensburgpo]

The 2nd ammendment has nothing to do with "Sporting" arms so I don't think it matters what you call it

I agree with you on that. To me it doesn't matter what you call rifles, shotguns, handguns, assault rifles, black guns etc etc. Guns were invented to kill stuff. Humans in war and animals to eat. Recently they've become incredibly popular for uses other than killing, that's great. But guns are designed to kill things. Calling them whatever you like doesn't change that basic fact. The gun grabbers calling my AR an assault riffle doesn't bother me. It's "assaulted" plenty of coyotes and steel targets.

I don't know why we as gun owners are engaging in the battle of semantics. It seems like we are trying to sugar coat what guns are. There's enough of that in this world and it should be ok to call a spade a spade. To me when we engage in these sort of debates with the non gun owning public its a disservice to both groups. Guns aren't the problem in this whole situation, people are. That should be the issue. Sorry if I was rambling.

[JoeE]

I have an .69 caliber Springfield muzzle loader, a trap door 45-70 and an 1851 Navy cap and ball revolver.  All of them were specifically designed as military weapons.  They were designed to kill people.  They still work to kill people.  One even has a bayonet.

Should those be banned as well?

I never said any of them should be banned. All I'm saying is that the gun I have for the sole purpose of gunfighting is not a sporting gun.  Show me where I ever said anything should be banned.

[bobcat]

I don't know why we as gun owners are engaging in the battle of semantics. It seems like we are trying to sugar coat what guns are. There's enough of that in this world and it should be ok to call a spade a spade. To me when we engage in these sort of debates with the non gun owning public its a disservice to both groups. Guns aren't the problem in this whole situation, people are. That should be the issue. Sorry if I was rambling.

    Well said! Who really cares what they call an AR15? Not me.

[buckfvr]

What's wrong with guns that are designed to kill people? That's why we have our 2nd amendment rights.

Bingo.  It's the possibility of a violent uprising against those that no longer govern by popular vote, but presume to rule by oppression, that keeps the balance of power fit and proper.

   Its only being sold as an effort to curb violent crime when actually the above is the FACT.......the pure truth of the matter.

[mfswallace]

 

I never said any of them should be banned. All I'm saying is that the gun I have for the sole purpose of gunfighting is not a sporting gun.  Show me where I ever said anything should be banned.
[/quote]

Who cares what u r arguing over, can I come watch 1 of these gun fights!!

U must be pretty fast partner, ever lost?? 

[ellensburgpo]

I never said any of them should be banned. All I'm saying is that the gun I have for the sole purpose of gunfighting is not a sporting gun.  Show me where I ever said anything should be banned.

Who cares what u r arguing over, can I come watch 1 of these gun fights!!

U must be pretty fast partner, ever lost?? 
[/quote]

A lot of people had to die for JoeE to be JoeE 

[hillbilli]

I think pretty much everyone on here knows the difference between a semi-auto, and an actual assault rifle. I also think most of us know to correct and educate people when they say "assault weapon", and mean anything that looks military.. You like how the gun grabbers refer to semi-auto's as if they are some new and deadly thing that just came out yesterday? I like to ask them when since semi-auto guns became common in about 1910 did they suddenly become to dangerous for civilians to be trusted with? OH-thats right, "high capacity magazines"(another made up term) didnt become common in pistols till 1935, and not in carbines until 1945 or so... heck even AR-15's have been available and common for 50 years... rifles of any type are used in a very small percentage (6%?) of gun crimes and what happens next year when a couple high profile crimes are commited with revolvers? or a pump shotgun?   

[JoeE]

I never said any of them should be banned. All I'm saying is that the gun I have for the sole purpose of gunfighting is not a sporting gun.  Show me where I ever said anything should be banned.

Who cares what u r arguing over, can I come watch 1 of these gun fights!!

U must be pretty fast partner, ever lost?? 
[/quote]

Lol..what should I call it? I got it for shooting at people who might be shooting at me with a gun. Fighting with guns. Gunfighting, no? Why does everything turn into an argument around here.

[724wd]

Why does everything turn into an argument around here.

'CAUSE WE'RE BORRRRRRED!