Tribal hunting bills introduced

[fair-chase]

getting along will never happen as long as there are people like the ones who bring these type of threads up,

These types of threads??? So let me get this straight. We are not to discuss any proposed legislation if it has anything to do with a certain race or special class of people? Is that about right?

[TheHunt]

Hmmmmm,   Makes you want to start supporting what Canada is doing to the Tribes there....   

[mfswallace]

If your going to quote someone dont change what they say, quote it right, yet again ignorance at its best,

I didn't misquote you I added you to being the problem of why people wont get along 

slowly this time so you get it,  It's because of people like YOU that people won't get along 

[huntnphool]

Well get over it and accept that it will never change, I'm not one of the bad apples, an yes is edjumacated getting along will never happen as long as there are people like the ones who bring these type of threads up, as long as its a red white hate discussions I will mock ignorance

The tribes proposed this bill not the white man, this thread was started to discuss the bills.

As far as never changing, I wouldn't say never, just maybe not anytime soon. If you honestly believe never then you are the most naive person on this forum. There is a push to ratify the entire US constitution. Do really think the government would go to the trouble to ratify a 200+ year old constitution and leave those treaties intact?

There are other holes in those treaties that could be exploited if the government felt inclined, I believe they are waiting for a bigger fish to fry before they play those cards though.

[Warrior Wayz]

THICK SKINS round here, sticks and stones.  enit huntnphool?

[huntnphool]

THICK SKINS round here, sticks and stones.  enit huntnphool?

no name calling on my end Wayz, unlike some of you I can debate intelligently without resorting to that.

[Warrior Wayz]

artificial intellegence?

[huntnphool]

artificial intellegence?

And this concludes my demonstration.

[Warrior Wayz]

Mine too

[Green broke]

Well get over it and accept that it will never change, I'm not one of the bad apples, an yes is edjumacated getting along will never happen as long as there are people like the ones who bring these type of threads up, as long as its a red white hate discussions I will mock ignorance

The tribes proposed this bill not the white man, this thread was started to discuss the bills.

As far as never changing, I wouldn't say never, just maybe not anytime soon. If you honestly believe never then you are the most naive person on this forum. There is a push to ratify the entire US constitution. Do really think the government would go to the trouble to ratify a 200+ year old constitution and leave those treaties intact?

There are other holes in those treaties that could be exploited if the government felt inclined, I believe they are waiting for a bigger fish to fry before they play those cards though.

The loopholes you are referring to can definitely go both ways and one thing that has been a deciding factor is deception. Deception in wording, and overall deceptive intent. This has swayed many supreme court rulings in the favor of tribes. Both sides have '' cards'' in their hand that they are waiting to play. This could end ugly in terms of hunting specifically. If you start talking resource allocation and yours and mine, as opposed to a shared resource being used by '' user groups''.

[huntnphool]

Well get over it and accept that it will never change, I'm not one of the bad apples, an yes is edjumacated getting along will never happen as long as there are people like the ones who bring these type of threads up, as long as its a red white hate discussions I will mock ignorance

The tribes proposed this bill not the white man, this thread was started to discuss the bills.

As far as never changing, I wouldn't say never, just maybe not anytime soon. If you honestly believe never then you are the most naive person on this forum. There is a push to ratify the entire US constitution. Do really think the government would go to the trouble to ratify a 200+ year old constitution and leave those treaties intact?

There are other holes in those treaties that could be exploited if the government felt inclined, I believe they are waiting for a bigger fish to fry before they play those cards though.

The loopholes you are referring to can definitely go both ways and one thing that has been a deciding factor is deception. Deception in wording, and overall deceptive intent. This has swayed many supreme court rulings in the favor of tribes. Both sides have '' cards'' in their hand that they are waiting to play. This could end ugly in terms of hunting specifically. If you start talking resource allocation and yours and mine, as opposed to a shared resource being used by '' user groups''.

Agreed but you have to keep in mind that our Supreme Court will soon look a lot different.

[asl20bball]

This simple solution is to have the tribal hunting season ends earlier in the year (to match that of the WDFW)..if this happend then this would not be an issue with tribal members driving up to animals in the wintering grounds. In addition it would drastically decrease poaching by all user groups.
Or better yet lets be more civilized and choose equality among all people irregardless of race.    Sounds pretty fair to me. That's my   

[jess]

the fact is fair and equal treatment of everyone and not getting special rights because of your skin color.. I have been pushing for years to make all hunting fair.. Off the rezervation EVERYONE must have a state hunting/fishing permit and folow state seasons.. This is why there is so much hate towards natives.. Its not FAIR for a non-native to put in for a permit for years when a native can hunt that same hunt every year.. Make everyone EQUAL!! natives should want to be equal not just judged by the color of thier skin.

[Green broke]

Blame who you must just make sure you look in all directions, there are other poachers out there that are not tribal.  As for walking in, I have no problem with that since many of you know that the biggest animals do not come from road hunting.

I will go into the book as a yes vote(i support them). I say this because i am concerned for the saftey of tribal members. another issue I would adress is it spreads the tribal hunters out therefore taking pressure off the few open areas. I also like the fact that it takes it out of the public eye so to speak. I have nothing to hide when it comes to the public eye, I would just rather its a more private setting(that may be percieved as selfish). Contrary to popular belief we very seldom target trophy animals, and parading them around is never been done(by myself or my kids).

What is the safety concern??

Hike further from those high pressure areas and they won't be so high pressure or regulate yourselves to not overhunt an area, is that too much to ask to ensure future generations have animals to hunt?

I get your not the "bad apple" but why continue to make it easier for them to be "bad apples"-tribal and non-tribal
These aren't sound arguments IMHO

It is a concern on many levels(saftey). Their are not very many tribal hunters who have not been harassed. To answer your question about hiking further I will do my best. At times gathering meat (hunting) is very time sensitive. Like I said before it's not a hobby. So one scenario that plays out is that when meat is needed several guys will head to an open area (not gated) , this creates an environment of ''over harvest''.  Once meat is gathered you will not see most of these guys until the need presents itself again. It's easy to say to self regulate and make more members act like myself, not so easy to make it a reality. As you know humans are creatures of habit, this habit (amongst all user groups) tends to be road hunting.  I will teach when possible and lead by example, but I will not  criticize those tribal guys who don't act the way I do. I don't tolerate waste or excessive harvest under any circumstances.

[scotty1969]

blah blah blah.i cant believe all the were your ancestors here were there cars roads etc.. let me ask.how many F B I are still around that was here when the treaty was signed.everyone wants equality but only for themselves and that is bs.they want there treaty to still work for them just like we want our constitution to still work for us it is no diff.but like i said closed for one closed for all we could work together way better than this.just like jeepers have to work with the hikers and the horseman.compromise so everyone can get a piece.on another note there are a lot of non tribals in yakima that go hunting with tribals all year round i know this to be a fact the dollar can buy most anything on the rez.