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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #270 on: March 14, 2013, 08:15:19 PM »
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Keep us posted on your dogs recovery hope shes ok. Thats hitting a little to close to home cant beleive they tried to switch you up on a cougar attack thats some serious denial, hard to sweep a wolf under the carpet . bs :bash:
:yeah: kudos to your other dog for stopping the attack!
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #271 on: March 14, 2013, 08:16:14 PM »
Keep us posted on your dogs recovery hope shes ok. Thats hitting a little to close to home cant beleive they tried to switch you up on a cougar attack thats some serious denial, hard to sweep a wolf under the carpet . bs :bash:

I think they just questioned him as to if it could have been a cougar, and when he said no, he was postive it was a wolf, that was the end of that. I would have asked the same question.

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #272 on: March 14, 2013, 08:26:56 PM »
well the other problem and im giving the wdfw a little excuse,  I really don't believe they have much of an idea about anything with the wolf! and i believe all of us are the same way! what i mean is we don't know what kind of interaction with washington the wolf is gonna have!  We think they will feed off ungulates and they shy away from human interaction but since the variables change for every region there is really no telling what is going to happen!  30 years ago if someone seen a moose it was a big deal, now we see them regularly,  studys show they will be gone in less than 4 years! Heard a tidbit that 5 moose where collared this fall and by feb 15, 3 of the 5 were wolf food!  My guess like idaho is moose will be first then elk and deer! It will be interesting what happens in areas that don't have moose or elk? that would be a different variable!lol wdfw doesn't know and neither does anyone else whats gonna happen but hungry large predator with little food usually means bad things for something!

Good post.

The fact that their population is exploding says they have a lot of food available.

I said this in another thread on here and I stand by it, first they'll take the ungulate population way down, then they'll starve, ungulates will recover (not to their prior numbers), and the cycle will start again, but much less extreme since diminished prey numbers will lead to lower pup survival.

Bottom line, big game hunting is going to take a big hit in this state for a while unless hunting is opened on them. Meanwhile they've let a bunch of apex predators into the equivilant of an all you can eat kitchen. One way or another the wolves will have to start paying for those meals, the only question is will it be through starvation or hunting. At the moment I think the WDFW is choosing starvation, how "humane."

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #273 on: March 14, 2013, 08:28:39 PM »
What is it they haven't been honest about? If you're saying they denied the existence of wolves in north central Washington, that's not true. There were notices posted in the National Forest at least since the late 80's that said there were wolves in the area, and asked people to report any sightings.

If you're saying they weren't honest in regards to specific locations of wolves they may have known about, and which may or may not have had collars, why would they give the public this information?

It's just like with spotted owls. Do you think the state should report known locations of nesting spotted owls, and have some nutcase with a shotgun go in and kill them?

The same thing would happen with wolves. I can see why they'd want to keep some of that information to themselves. Doing otherwise would be irresponsible.
Spotted owls don't pose a danger to people/pets/livestock.  They could use the collar information for public safety like they do the elk collars.  When collared elk get too close to a highway, (since elk are usually in a herd they pose a real threat to motorists) the collars activate road warnings and messages are sent to personnel.  Similarly wolves often tend to travel in packs and pose danger to rural communities.  The collar information from wolves could be used to protect these communities--let people like the dog owner or the rancher know when the collared wolf (and likely the pack) are nearby so they can take extra precautions and redouble deterrents.

A lot more people would rather just go shoot the wolf then they would an elk  :twocents:

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #274 on: March 14, 2013, 08:59:32 PM »
And yet another wolf Attack in the Methow Valley
Re: WOLF ATTACKS LOCAL DOG, TWISP, WA
First off, I am not a "Wolf Hate Monger" by any means.
Two weeks ago while walking with my wife on the Twisp Carlton Hwy 3 /1/2 miles north of Carlton, a Black Wolf crossed the Highway in the pursuit of a Whitetail Doe, not more than 70 Yards in front of us.  I was unable to get my I-Phone Camera out in time to get a photo, but I walked up the hillside in the snow and got a clear and excellent picture of its track. I reported this to my neighbor who was out pruning his apply trees closeby, and he stated to us that a Black Wolf attached his Pit Bull Female in Nov. in his yard, and it took 12 stiches in the shoulder area to close the wound by a local Vet.  His son fired a shotgun into the air and the Wolf ran away.  We live near the Lookout Mtn Pack, and this is the 2nd Wolf we have seen out hiking in two years http://www.methownet.com/bulletinboard.html
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This is one I had't heard of yet, I have several wolf attack reports on pets in the Methow Valley in the last five years, and I am gathering them up now. Why hasn't WDFW put wolf attacks from the Methow Valley on their Dangerous Animal Reports. The wolf attacks I have, have all been reported to WDFW and some of them to the Okanogan County Sheriff department.

WDFW's fat is in the fire right now, and I think they would say anything to get away from the heat. Maybe it's time for a few more wolf attacks that they failed to report hit Mainstream Media of Okanogan county and others that are dealing with the wolves that WDFW refuse to confirm.
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Who is really responsible for the game herds in WA.? In the Methow Valley Scott Fitkin comes out with a glowing report of the spring deer count and hunting season in the fall. Why is it that the people who have lived in the Methow Valley for 50 plus years see a different picture? Like today a friend and I took a drive from Twisp down the Twisp/Carlton side just to see how many deer there were. We hit Carlton without seeing one deer, we then drove up Texas creek about seven miles, no deer. We stopped in and visited with Idaboomer for abit,. He told us twenty years ago he would see five hundred plus deer on the hills across from his house when the spring grass came,  he said he spent quite a bit if time the other day and only counted 26. We saw TWO deer today and they were lying down behind Cascade Pipe and Supply.


I think WDFW had better either get rid of the People who are making liars out of them, or find a den to hide in, because people are starting to see what an out of control wolf population is all about. Washington state is now ID, MT and Wyoming.
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I know many of you have trouble believing that WDFW released wolves in the Methow Valley or anywhere else in WA. Right now if I took WDFW to court over their wolf releases in 2009, they would either have to admit they had full knowledge of the release or Scott Fitkin would "probably" have to go to jail.
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #275 on: March 15, 2013, 07:22:14 AM »
Here is a link to a follow up story that is on Northwest Sportsman....I'd bet you a dollar the "spirited online discussion" is this forum.

http://www.nwsportsmanmag.com/2013/03/14/wdfw-looking-into-whether-it-can-reimburse-twisp-man-for-dogs-wolf-attack-injuries/

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #276 on: March 15, 2013, 08:19:17 AM »
Here is a link to a follow up story that is on Northwest Sportsman....I'd bet you a dollar the "spirited online discussion" is this forum.

http://www.nwsportsmanmag.com/2013/03/14/wdfw-looking-into-whether-it-can-reimburse-twisp-man-for-dogs-wolf-attack-injuries/

Interesting that the attacked dog was a wolf hybrid. And that the owner is "avowedly anti wolf". But not so avowedly that it kept him from bringing a couple hybrid wolves into his home.
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #277 on: March 15, 2013, 09:23:21 AM »
Sitka-The dog that was attack was a Blue Heeler, John only has one wolf cross dog.

WDFW Looking Into Whether It Can Reimburse Twisp Man For Dog’s Wolf-attack Injuries
By Andy Walgamott, on March 14th, 2013
UPDATED 7:15 A.M. MARCH 15, 2013: The Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife is looking into whether it can reimburse a Methow Valley man’s vet bills after acknowledging that his dog was attacked by a wolf early Sunday morning.

John Stevie’s Siberian husky-wolf hybrid mix, Shelby, suffered wounds to the right side of her face in the battle on his porch in the countryside south of Twisp.

“It had her head in its mouth,” Stevie recalls seeing.

Another one of his dogs, an estimated 100-pound male named Lopi and also a hybrid, chased the wolf off, according to Stevie and state fish and wildlife officers.

The initial vet bill was $289, and he’s had to take Shelby back a second time. He says it could run up to $600 or $700.

Since WDFW investigated the attack earlier this week and determined it was indeed a wolf, wildlife managers have been trying to figure out if the agency can legally pay for the injuries.

The wolf management plan does allow payouts for “guarding/herding animals” working with livestock, such as the Martinez sheep company’s dog injured by the Teanaway wolves in 2011. It does not specifically state that reimbursements can be made for domestic animals. It notes that Wisconsin is the only state that pays for injuries to human companion dogs.

However, WDFW does have copies of the vet bill.

There has been spirited discussion online about whether WDFW should pay for the injuries to Shelby or not. As of late Thursday afternoon, we were waiting for final word from a high-ranking wolf manager on that front.

A representative of a wolf advocacy group active in the valley said that philosophically his organization isn’t against pitching in on the vet bill, but hasn’t budgeted for that aspect of wolf management, though they have provided funding for a range rider in another wolf territory where cattle are grazed.

Stevie, a 47-year-old third-generation Methow Valley resident who owns 40 acres at the base of McClure Mountain and is avowedly anti-wolf, said he usually keeps Shelby, inside at night but let her out around 11 p.m. on Saturday to go pee.

“She tells me when she wants to come back in,” he says.

Lopi is kept inside because of his tendency to wander.

Somewhere around 1:30 a.m. Stevie and his partner, Sharon Willowa, were awoken by a “ruckus in the kitchen.”

Running to the scene, he found Lopi “going crazy” trying to get out a French door, and heard Shelby on the deck.

Opening the door, he said he found a “100-plus-pound wolf had the female down.”

Stevie says he didn’t know what to do — but Lopi did.

“The male darted out and attacked it. The wolf jumped off the deck and the male chased it through the creek bottom,” he says.

Within a few hours of reporting the incident, two fish and wildlife officers, Jason Day and Troy McCormick, and wildlife biologist Jeff Heinlen came out late Sunday morning and spent, Stevie estimates, four hours investigating the scene.

“They looked at the tracks and decided it was a wolf,” Stevie says.

A single set of paw prints, measuring 41/2 inches at their widest, led away from the deck, according to a 17-page report by the officers.

 
AN IMAGE FROM WDFW'S REPORT SHOWS THE WIDTH OF THE ATTACKING WOLF'S TRACK, HIGHLIGHTED WITH A BLACK POWDER TO MAKE IT STAND OUT AGAINST THE SNOW. (WDFW)

Lopi’s tracks were an inch-and-a-half narrower, the report says and a photo inside it indicates.

It says the investigators followed the tracks as best they could across mud, crusted snow, and past compost material that had been recently disturbed and included some old fish bones.

It also describes Shelby as visibly shaken, bleeding from a couple locations and with a puncture wound to the ear; Stevie’s vet later old them the dog had multiple bite wounds to the head, ear and neck.

 
IMAGES FROM WDFW'S INVESTIGATION SHOW THE LOCATION WHERE THE WOLF HAD THE DOG PINNED AND SHELBY BEFORE BEING TAKEN TO THE VETERINARIAN; FOR IMAGES AFTER THE DOG WAS WORKED ON, SEE METHOWVALLEYNEWS.COM, OMAKCHRONICLE.COM AND HUNTING-WASHINGTON.COM. (WDFW)

An officer said that Stevie described the attacking wolf as “coyote or grayish colored with a very dark side, but not quite black.”

Another WDFW report says that Day, McCormick and Heinlen briefed three other WDFW wolf managers as well as a U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service supervisor and a U.S. Department of Agriculture supervisor before the trio determined on Monday that it was indeed a “confirmed wolf depredation.”

Online, there was some early scuttle that the state employees suggested the dog was attacked by a cougar instead.

Stevie says that they did ask him that question at first, as well as if he thought it had been a domestic animal.

Day’s write-up shows that he was considering the possibility that it was a wolf before he even arrived because he says, knowing of their keen interest in wolf matters, he informed the Okanogan County Sheriff’s Office of the incident on his way to the scene.

The attacking wolf was either one of the two known to live in the Lookout Pack territory — they’d been sighted within a mile of the incident earlier in the year — or a wolf that’s dispersing through the area.

One of the Smackout males, WA 17M, which was collared last summer, was reported at the site of a dumped livestock carcass in the Similkameen Valley about 35 air miles to the north-northeast of Twisp earlier this month, but wears a black coat. Last month, a Teanaway female was spotted about that same distance to the south-southwest between Entiat and Lake Chelan; it’s more gray.

By an unusual coincidence, the attack also came just two days after the state Senate passed a bill that would allow citizens to shoot wolves attacking their livestock or pets anywhere in Washington, and regardless of the predator’s classification on state and federal protections. SB 5187 is now in the House where it will have a hearing on March 20 before the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee.

Another bill that cleared the Senate, SB 5193, would allow “WDFW to offer cash, and well as non-cash, compensation … for all wildlife damage to crops, livestock, other property, and mitigating actions.” It also sets the price of a wolf license plate at $50 — as well as other wildlife-themed plates — starting in 2014. It was passed on a 28-21 vote on Wednesday.

As for what’s next with the wolves in the Methow Valley, with last year’s calf depredation on the Thurlow Ranch by the Lookout Pack, WDFW is on the alert.

“We are monitoring closely. We hope it’s not a Wedge situation,” said state wolf manager Donny Martorello.

The key will be whether any wolves switch from natural prey to other sources, as in northern Stevens County with the Wedge Pack last year, as winter winds down and spring begins.

It’s unclear whether any breeding activity occurred here; none did last year, but Martorello points out that there are likely many more wolves than what WDFW knows about roaming the countryside.

He also notes that lessons from the Northern Rockies show that 80 percent of packs stay out of trouble, but those 20 percent that do cause problems need to be dealt with swiftly and aggressively.

For his part, Stevie acknowledges living in the country.

“This is a prime spot for every animal you can imagine. That’s why I have my dogs,” he says.

He also has a 12-year-old.

“I’m just glad it didn’t happen to my son,” he adds.

Wolf attacks on humans have been fleetingly rare in North America in modern times.

But more incidents of this sort, though also rare, will occur as Washington’s wolf population builds. There have also been a number of human-wolf encounters now as well, several of which we’ve chronicled on this blog.

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2012/09/13/republic-area-wolf-dog-standoff-reported/

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2011/11/10/newspaper-reports-on-unnerving-wolf-encounter-in-lake-chelan-nra/

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2012/01/31/hunter-details-another-wolf-encounter-in-kittitas-co/

And it’s another reminder that wolves aren’t just creatures of the wilderness, and that in the colder months, they’re down with the deer and other game, in the settled valleys.

As the local USFS biologist John Rohrer told us for a story on another area resident’s sightings above Carlton and a BBC crew’s taping of a documentary in the Methow Valley, “People want to think of wolves as a symbol of wilderness and remoteness, but (in winter and spring) they’re right outside people’s doors.”

In this case, that’s where a wolf tangled with a dog.




It’s at least the second WDFW-acknowledged wolf-dog confrontation http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2013/03/14/wdfw-looking-into-whether-it-can-reimburse-twisp-man-for-dogs-wolf-attack-injuries/#.UUJvayM95GE.facebook
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From the information I have this would be attack number seven just in the Methow Valley, all reported to WDFW. I was talking with Joel Krets last night he said he has been receiving info of other attacks also.

It would seem WDFW has a memory problem when it come to reporting wolf problems from around the country to the public. I can see where it might hurt their story of one maybe two wolves in the Methow if the truth were to come out that there are several packs.

Just last summer we had reports of wolf pups sighted in five differrant locations throughout the Methow.  We know that in ID, MT and WY wolf packs have been documented to have up to three litters per pack, I'm quite sure that isn't the case in the Methow Valley. I think we need a differrant wolf biologist in the Methow, one that isn't tied to Conservation NW.

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #278 on: March 15, 2013, 11:15:15 AM »
Sitka-The dog that was attack was a Blue Heeler, John only has one wolf cross dog.

WDFW Looking Into Whether It Can Reimburse Twisp Man For Dog’s Wolf-attack Injuries
By Andy Walgamott, on March 14th, 2013
UPDATED 7:15 A.M. MARCH 15, 2013: The Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife is looking into whether it can reimburse a Methow Valley man’s vet bills after acknowledging that his dog was attacked by a wolf early Sunday morning.

John Stevie’s Siberian husky-wolf hybrid mix, Shelby, suffered wounds to the right side of her face in the battle on his porch in the countryside south of Twisp.

“It had her head in its mouth,” Stevie recalls seeing.

Another one of his dogs, an estimated 100-pound male named Lopi and also a hybrid, chased the wolf off, according to Stevie and state fish and wildlife officers.


You must have missed this part of the story you just posted. And looking at the pictures the wounded dog definitely looks more husky/wolf than blue heeler. You can see the wool which blue heelers don't get.
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #279 on: March 15, 2013, 12:00:26 PM »
I just talk to John again, he said his dog is a Siberian husky-wolf hybrid mix, I have been around that dog off and on over the years and alway thought it was mostly Blue Heeler.

John said his dog isn't doing too well she has infection in her face real bad now. He said he talk to one of his neighbors who lives about a quarter of a mile away, they said about two weeks ago they saw the biggest coyote they had ever seen, they said it walk right by their house and about fifty yards out. His neighbor whistled> the wolf stop and stood there for a few minutes and then it started pacing back and forth. John described the wolf that attacked his dog, and the guy then realized they had seen a wolf, not a coyote.

Donny Martorello called John again and told him they wouldn't be paying for his vet bills after all, he said they had funding for livestock and guard dogs but not domestic pets etc. He also said he thought SB 5187 was sure to pass now.

SB 5187 --Wash. Senate OKs Killing Wolves Without Permit
Posted: Mar 08, 2013
OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - The Washington state Senate has passed a measure to allow livestock and pet owners to shoot gray wolves without a permit when the wolves are attacking or threatening their animals.
The bill, which passed the upper chamber Friday, is the latest salvo in an ongoing debate over how to cope with the reintroduction of the predatory canines in Washington state.

Supporters say the measure is necessary to allow people to protect their property.

Bill opponents say it would hurt the state's wolf recovery efforts and contradicts years of effort put into hashing out a state wolf plan.

The measure passed by a vote of 25-23, with Senate Majority Leader Rodney Tom not voting. It heads next to the Democratic-controlled House, where it faces an uphill battle for passage.  http://www.khq.com/story/21559858/wash- … out-permit

More wolf attacks in the Methow Valley and Okanogan county which WDFW dismissed or failed to report, are now being reported to officials outside of WDFW.
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #280 on: March 15, 2013, 12:36:41 PM »
Hope John's dog heals up fine. Under the circumstances, this wolf needs to be taken out. And hopefully SB 5187 passes so folks can protect their pets........ legally. 
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #281 on: March 15, 2013, 01:13:53 PM »
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I know many of you have trouble believing that WDFW released wolves in the Methow Valley or anywhere else in WA. Right now if I took WDFW to court over their wolf releases in 2009, they would either have to admit they had full knowledge of the release or Scott Fitkin would "probably" have to go to jail.

This is exactly what I was talking about!
While I do not live in the Methow and have to deal with this daily like some of you do. I and my hunting partners have been hunting the Methow for close to 30 years. Yes we have seen wolves, seen signs of wolves, and heard wolves almost every hunting season for way to many years. Many of those years were well before the WDFW would admit they were even there.

None of the hunters I know or have talked to about the wolf situation would be surprised at all if tomorrows head line stated
"Proof WDFW Lied About Wolf Reintroductions in the Methow"

Here is the problem, until the proof is out there for everyone to see and say
"See I told You So"

We all come a crossed as wackjobs to the rest of the state.

So again I will ask if this is factual:

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I know many of you have trouble believing that WDFW released wolves in the Methow Valley or anywhere else in WA. Right now if I took WDFW to court over their wolf releases in 2009, they would either have to admit they had full knowledge of the release or Scott Fitkin would "probably" have to go to jail.
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Post it up and let it become common knowledge!

I would almost guarantee there would be a ton of fallout through out the WDFW if this is true.

Wolfbait,
holding onto to such information is not benefiting the deer herds through out the Methow.

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #282 on: March 15, 2013, 01:26:37 PM »
If you have proof that wolves were released then the Cattleman's Assn. would love to talk with you, among others.
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #283 on: March 15, 2013, 01:38:59 PM »

Post it up and let it become common knowledge!

I would almost guarantee there would be a ton of fallout through out the WDFW if this is true.

Wolfbait,
holding onto to such information is not benefiting the deer herds through out the Methow.

Let the chips fall where they may!
There used to be more folks with some kind of knowledge about earlier wolf actions by WDFW in the region, but they went silent.  I had read (on this site a while back) that a lot of them felt intimidated and fear of WDFW reprisal--so now kind of keep a low profile.

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #284 on: March 15, 2013, 01:43:35 PM »
If you have proof that wolves were released then the Cattleman's Assn. would love to talk with you, among others.

The information is being shared with the right people, we will have to wait and see what happens.

 


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