Quality and Antlerless

[Red Leg]

Drew a Margaret antlerless elk and Skookumchuck quality deer a few couple years ago.
Filled both tags.

[steeleywhopper]

I think it happens often. With how they draw its one flaw. If your wild Id gets picked with a low number I think you have a good chance at drawing multiple tags. I don't put in for the same animal because I don't want to waist my points. It's messed up when someone draws quality elk and bull the same year and waists the bull tag that someone could have used. You will see it on here after the draw.

This is the exact reason why I think they should let the person who draws two special permits buy a extra tag and try to harvest both animals. Nothing wrong with that in my book. Whats the difference if Joe Schmoe with two permits shoots two animals or 2 different Joe Schmoes with 1 special permit each shoot the two animals. We have all been playing the game long enough they ought to let us do it.

[bobcat]

I think it happens often. With how they draw its one flaw. If your wild Id gets picked with a low number I think you have a good chance at drawing multiple tags. I don't put in for the same animal because I don't want to waist my points. It's messed up when someone draws quality elk and bull the same year and waists the bull tag that someone could have used. You will see it on here after the draw.

This is the exact reason why I think they should let the person who draws two special permits buy a extra tag and try to harvest both animals. Nothing wrong with that in my book. Whats the difference if Joe Schmoe with two permits shoots two animals or 2 different Joe Schmoes with 1 special permit each shoot the two animals. We have all been playing the game long enough they ought to let us do it.

I disagree. Odds of drawing are already bad as it is. The disincentive for applying in more than one category for the same species is that you will "waste"  your points and only get to make use of one of the permits that you drew.

Don't want to waste points? Then don't take the risk of applying in multiple categories for the same species.

[swwaoutdoorsman]

I think the hunter should get to choose one permit, then have second raffle for unsuccessful applicants. 

[Mr Mykiss]

I think the hunter should get to choose one permit, then have second raffle at $5 a pop for unsuccessful applicants. 

There I fixed it for you. Now maybe WDFW will bite...

[rtspring]

Its all about money for the state!!! 

[elkslayer069]

2 yeara ago dad and i both wastes 9pts for antlerless but both filled our quality tags

[dvolmer]

two years ago my daughter drew her quality Blue Creek Big bull tag and her bull permit to observatory in the same year.  Great that you get a great tag but sad in that you blow all of your points and can only get one animal and not be able to return one of the permits so someone else can have a great hunt too.

[Mfowl]

I would like to see a secondary draw or "runner up" draws in case someone double draws and doesn't want to use one of the tags or lose their points. I guess that would be too accomodating for our game dept.

[winshooter88]

People who put in for elk permits in more than one category in the same year, do it hoping that if they don't get drawn on one, they will get drawn on the other. You know when you put in that it is possible to get drawn on one, two or even three categories. If you don't want to lose points by drawing more than one permit then only put in for one category. You only get one tag per year and we all know it. If you get drawn in more than one category learn to live with it, you made the choice to put in for more than one category in the same year. Why should get bailed out by getting an extra tag or getting your points back? No one made you take the chance.

[bobcat]

I like it fine the way it is. What I dislike most of all is change. Once the system is set up I'd rather they leave it alone and let people get used to it.

The only reason the possibility of drawing two permits is really an issue is because so many people were unfairly given points in categories in which they did not earn them. Many people had as many as 14 points in 2010 when the WDFW invented all the new categories.

These people had obviously accumulated that many points by applying for the best bull permits available. Other people who were happy with just drawing a cow permit every couple of years, got screwed royally by the state when they decided to take a person's elk points and give them that same number of points in each of the new categories. So people who had never applied for a cow permit instantly had 14 points in the antlerless elk category.

These are the people who are now most at risk of drawing a permit in more than one elk category in the same year, and they have the most to lose. So please let's not make any suggestions to the WDFW to make any more unfair changes. It shouldn't take 10 to 12 points to draw a cow tag. But it does. That is proof that the system is screwed up. But the only way to fix it is for all these people with a high number of points to draw a permit and clear out their points. So let them draw a permit that they can't or won't use. That is what we need to get the point system back to normal.

I'm afraid if the WDFW does something more in an attempt to "fix" the system, they will make it even worse. Just like they did in 2010.

[steeleywhopper]

People who put in for elk permits in more than one category in the same year, do it hoping that if they don't get drawn on one, they will get drawn on the other. You know when you put in that it is possible to get drawn on one, two or even three categories. If you don't want to lose points by drawing more than one permit then only put in for one category. You only get one tag per year and we all know it. If you get drawn in more than one category learn to live with it, you made the choice to put in for more than one category in the same year. Why should get bailed out by getting an extra tag or getting your points back? No one made you take the chance.

Im sure this is aimed at me and im fine with that. I am pissed that tags go to waste when most of us have been playing this game for so many years. Yea, I know, no one forced me to play it, but darn it. If I want to shoot big bulls or cows in Eastern Washington I have to play into the draw abortion. (My hunting unit)
  Personally I don't put in for more than one elk permit due to the fact that I can only use one of the permits if drawn. It will be a cold day in heck before I burn hard earned points on special permits I cant use. I got crap ton of money invested in this system and it irks the crap out of me when I see opportunities wasted.

[steeleywhopper]

I'm afraid if the WDFW does something more in an attempt to "fix" the system, they will make it even worse. Just like they did in 2010.

Amen to that!

[winshooter88]

Steely, It wasn't pointed at anybody in particular. This topic comes up a lot from time to time and many more people than you have made similar comments. Is the system perfect, no. Will WDFW mess it up more trying to fix it, most likely. Be careful what you wish for.

[Scottystyle]

  Ive been lucky enough to draw "not selected" in all categories for years now