Problem lion relocated--Duvall

[jackelope]

This lion recently killed a llama up by Lake Joy. It was treed by WDFW dogs over the weekend. They darted him and released him elsewhere. Healthy 8 year old male, 142 pounds.

[BOWHUNTER45]

Sweeet ...He is a nice one 

[WAcoyotehunter]

Nice tom!  Good to get the age/weight too.  Interesting data to collect

[Button Nubbs]

That would be the coolest job ever.

[bearbaito6]

I thought it was only the young ones that cause problems?

[Watimberghost]

Any idea where they re-located him? I just moved outside fall city and a local told me that they relocate problem cougars too close to the original problem area. Not sure where he got his info, but do wonder what their relocation strategy is.

[jackelope]

Any idea where they re-located him? I just moved outside fall city and a local told me that they relocate problem cougars too close to the original problem area. Not sure where he got his info, but do wonder what their relocation strategy is.

I saw something about just outside Fall City.


Just kidding.

[bearpaw]

Definitely looks like a nice sized old tom. 

I don't quite understand the reasoning to move a livestock killer, cougar can easily move 20 to 30 miles per day and he could become a problem for someone else. I don't think they move any livestock killers in the NE anymore, if they kill livestock they kill them because it has been a problem in the past when they moved a livestock killer and created a problem for someone else. Hope he stays out of trouble.

[jackelope]

Hippyville, Dale. There'd be an uproar if they killed him. I asked for some more info to see if they told the guy where they took him. Waiting on a response.

[bugs n bones]

hancock no doubt

[jackelope]

The guy heard them talking about taking him somewhere "over by Wenatchee" but he didn't get where specifically. He says its happened before. The last one they removed from his land was released at the top of snoqualmie pass. He was back 2 weeks later and killed a goat. They caught and killed that lion after strike 2.

[Houndhunter]

Ha, you could take that lion to Idaho and he could still make it back to his old stomping grounds if he wanted to go back. Still waiting for my problem cat calls, but seems like they got their guys

[bearpaw]

Hippyville, Dale. There'd be an uproar if they killed him. I asked for some more info to see if they told the guy where they took him. Waiting on a response.

I suppose you're right about the huggers, politics are so different west to east in this state. They stopped moving livestock killers a long time ago here after they learned it often only created a problem for someone else.

[mulehunter]

 

[bearpaw]

The guy heard them talking about taking him somewhere "over by Wenatchee" but he didn't get where specifically. He says its happened before. The last one they removed from his land was released at the top of snoqualmie pass. He was back 2 weeks later and killed a goat. They caught and killed that lion after strike 2.

   Same deal as the wolves, the huggers on the westside want them as long as they are not causing problems in their back yard. Put them on the eastside. 

(this comment was not directed at the westside members of this forum, I know most of you guys are as disgusted as most of us eastsiders)

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Who treed the tom??

[Watimberghost]

Thanks for finding that out. Interested to know how they pick their release spots.

[TheHunt]

You go to the release spot with goat and chicken calls to bring the problem cat in...

[npaull]

I think I'm technically a tree-hugger, but I STILL think that moving that cougar was a stupid idea. Shoot it and be done with it. Beautiful animal though for sure.

[bearpaw]

You go to the release spot with goat and chicken calls to bring the problem cat in...

Use the goat on the Jurassic cougar.... 

All kidding aside, cougar are suckers for goats, goats sound so much like deer, I think that's what makes goats so enticing to cats. 

[wildweeds]

I would put money on that cat will be back in less than 2 weeks.A buddy of mine had a cat trapped and relocated near his house, the cat was back in 10 days and shot by a local logger in downtown,it had killed cats,goats and dogs in his area before relocation.It was back from over 100 crow miles away sporting it's new fancy radio collar.

[HighlandLofts]

Most wild animals will return to the habtat they they consider home, Some from cosiderable distances. A friend use to live trap gray squirrels from his yard and relocated them a couple of miles from his house, with in days they returned. He bought some blue spray paint from the dollar store and spray painted their tails, so he knew when they returned. In Pennsylvania the game dept. would live trap nuisance bears and relocated them on to state land a hundred miles away and with in a month or so they would be back doing damage at the original location. These cougars are the same, they will make an all out effort to reclaim their territory that they staked out once they go out on their own. If an wild animal has taken to prey upon domestic animals it should be eliminated from the equation. If it doesn't return to the original location, it will be a problem at the new place it calls home. It's just common sence to take care of the problem while the cards are stacked in your favor, but common sence is what these tree hugging dumb whits are lacking that control this type of situation.

[Rufous]

What I would like to know is how they determined the age of that cougar so quickly. As far as I know the only way to accurately determine age is by sectioning a tooth and counting the growth rings (or something like that). It takes a good year before they will inform us hunters though. Must have gotten the fast track tooth sectioning treatment.

[Rufous]

What I would like to know is how they determined the age of that cougar so quickly. As far as I know the only way to accurately determine age is by sectioning a tooth and counting the growth rings (or something like that). It takes a good year before they will inform us hunters though. Must have gotten the fast track tooth sectioning treatment.

[dreamunelk]

What I would like to know is how they determined the age of that cougar so quickly. As far as I know the only way to accurately determine age is by sectioning a tooth and counting the growth rings (or something like that). It takes a good year before they will inform us hunters though. Must have gotten the fast track tooth sectioning treatment.

When they are alive or at least still warm there is a measurement from the gum line to a point on the canine that is very accurate.  Unfortunately it has been awhile and I can not remember exactly how to do it.   

[Wenatcheejay]

But, think of all the jobs that are created by relocation.

[Axle]

Not sure where he got his info, but do wonder what their relocation strategy is.

It's called job security. They know too. It will cause more problems and they will get to chase it again. What fun!

A friend of mine was getting rid of skunks under an old woman's house and she didn't want them killed. He told her they would return and they did. She accused him of only taking them a mile away so he caught one again and spray-painted a red stripe on it and had her drive with him to turn it free. At about 50 miles and two raging rivers away, she said 'here is good, there is no way it could return from here'. 10 days later she had a skunk under her house with red paint on its back.
She then said it was OK to dispatch the skunks. Funny how that works.

[cody29]

im new to this hunting stuff. but if anyone is going couger hunting I would like to come with I have a cat tag

[lokidog]

Not sure where he got his info, but do wonder what their relocation strategy is.

It's called job security. They know too. It will cause more problems and they will get to chase it again. What fun!

A friend of mine was getting rid of skunks under an old woman's house and she didn't want them killed. He told her they would return and they did. She accused him of only taking them a mile away so he caught one again and spray-painted a red stripe on it and had her drive with him to turn it free. At about 50 miles and two raging rivers away, she said 'here is good, there is no way it could return from here'. 10 days later she had a skunk under her house with red paint on its back.
She then said it was OK to dispatch the skunks. Funny how that works.

 

I shot a bear in Ontario many years ago.  It had been trapped in town behind a hamburger stand and ear tagged, then moved thirty five miles north of town.  I shot it about three weeks later, three miles east of town.

[WAcoyotehunter]

it might not come back.  Moving them after hazing them could send it packing.  Unless it was a home territory and the cat had been there a while it might just find some new space... or get killed by the tom who's home territory it just got dropped into... ?

[CAMPMEAT]

A friend of mine saw one last week near his front yard, I wonder why that didn't make headline news ?

[Elkrunner]

The guy heard them talking about taking him somewhere "over by Wenatchee" but he didn't get where specifically. He says its happened before. The last one they removed from his land was released at the top of snoqualmie pass. He was back 2 weeks later and killed a goat. They caught and killed that lion after strike 2.

   Same deal as the wolves, the huggers on the westside want them as long as they are not causing problems in their back yard. Put them on the eastside. 

(this comment was not directed at the westside members of this forum, I know most of you guys are as disgusted as most of us eastsiders)

Thats all we need around here is another cat.  It's becoming hard enough to see deer in the foothills anymore.

[PlateauNDN]

I'd like a cat or two for my collection if anybody has one that needs to be dealt with.  I should clarify though the cat problem has to be within an area I can legally harvest such as wenatchee for example.

[Jonathan_S]

The only place a "Problem Lion" should be relocated is a taxidermist's office

[pianoman9701]

Definitely looks like a nice sized old tom. 

I don't quite understand the reasoning to move a livestock killer, cougar can easily move 20 to 30 miles per day and he could become a problem for someone else. I don't think they move any livestock killers in the NE anymore, if they kill livestock they kill them because it has been a problem in the past when they moved a livestock killer and created a problem for someone else. Hope he stays out of trouble.

  The money spent on that could go a long way to helping ranchers pay for wolf damage. 

[CAMPMEAT]

I'd like a cat or two for my collection if anybody has one that needs to be dealt with.  I should clarify though the cat problem has to be within an area I can legally harvest such as wenatchee for example.

Ferry County needs some help. 

[mulehunter]

 

[npaull]

   Same deal as the wolves, the huggers on the westside want them as long as they are not causing problems in their back yard. Put them on the eastside. 

(this comment was not directed at the westside members of this forum, I know most of you guys are as disgusted as most of us eastsiders)

It's even worse than that, bearpaw.

I AM one of the westside tree huggers, and I STILL think it's totally ridiculous to move a livestock-killing lion. Utter waste of time, money, and resources. They should auction or lottery a hunt, kill it, and move on. The problem we have is that way too many people conflate species and habitat conservation with INDIVIDUAL animal conservation. So we end up with these ridiculous circuses.

[jackmaster]

why do they relocate them when they could just as easy have a hunter whack that llama deer killn machine     

[steeleywhopper]

I wish hound guys would quit doing the dirty deed for the WDFW. WDFW hung us hunters out to dry on the Hound hunting vote.
To keep on topic, that is a nice looking kitty, hopefully someone with a gun will find him.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I would be more than happy to fix their problem    Nice one 

[Houndhunter]

it might not come back.  Moving them after hazing them could send it packing.  Unless it was a home territory and the cat had been there a while it might just find some new space... or get killed by the tom who's home territory it just got dropped into... ?

This always gets me, from the bio in Wa, that lions manage themselves by toms killing younger lions. Do you honestly believe Donny monteralo(spell check), and his "theories"? I will admit i am as green as they come, but can't agree with his statements about how the older toms manage the lion population . Big toms push younger toms out, not kill them but push them in to more urbanized areas.

[WAcoyotehunter]

This was a pretty studly cat.  I would be suprised if it wasn't a dominant cat in the area.  It would be a bad deal if he got placed in another stud cats territory and they squared off....

I believe that mature toms will kill subadult cats when they get the chance.  I also think that ranges and territories are quite static and largely depend on the time of year, the deer populations, and lion populations.  It's a complicated system.  The current hunting system sucks for lion managament on account of the harvest being an innaccurate 'cross section' of the population.

It would be nice if we could use hounds to more selectively harvest cats according to sex/age.

[PlateauNDN]

new plan, relocate them to my house and I'll make sure they are properly relocated so as not to bother livestock or affect the general public again.

[KFhunter]

it might not come back.  Moving them after hazing them could send it packing.  Unless it was a home territory and the cat had been there a while it might just find some new space... or get killed by the tom who's home territory it just got dropped into... ?

This always gets me, from the bio in Wa, that lions manage themselves by toms killing younger lions. Do you honestly believe Donny monteralo(spell check), and his "theories"? I will admit i am as green as they come, but can't agree with his statements about how the older toms manage the lion population . Big toms push younger toms out, not kill them but push them in to more urbanized areas.

I seen a big tom skull with a hole in it, from an even bigger tom.  had to be one helluva fight 
The cat survived that fight and later on hounds got turned out on that tom with the hole in it's skull.   It killed 4 dogs.  The next morning several guides all got together and turned loose a whole slug of dogs and got it tree'd then the hunter harvested it and I got to see the skull and hear the story.  Was a very bittersweet day for a houndsman who lost 4 dogs.

We've all seen two house cats go at it..almost can't imagine two bruiser toms goin at it....which is what this relocation is going to do.