Using a "Butt Out", do you need to split pelvis? Skinning Question

[RadSav]

There you go with all that science and logic again!!

Guys around here hate that whole logic and proven science stuff!  Opinion and supposition works much better around these parts 

[runningboard]

Once somebody shows you how easy it is to split the pelvis you'll do it every time.  I've used my swiss army knife to gut a deer several times and it will split the pelvis.  The pelvis is not a solid bone, it is only connected by grissel and all you gotta do is find the high point pointing right at you and the skinny layer of grissel is right in the middle of that.  Once you get your knife right in the center of that you can work it in and dismember the two halves of the pelvis.  Once it's opened up it's way easier to pull out the bung hole without getting gut juices and poop all over everything.  Hogs, cows and deer are all the same although, I hadn't been successful splitting a big cow with my swiss army knife.  Butcher hogs are easy and deer are a snap once you find the right spot.  I had a friend that claimed to gut hundreds of deer and I watched him gut a hog.  He cut all the guts out fine then went up to the pelvis and whacked the bunghole off and left it in the hog right below the pelvis on the gutt side leaving about 8 linches of nasty drippey bunghole leaking all over.  He was offended when I corrected him politely but next time he did it right.  I've shown many a know it all hunters how to split the pelvis.   Take a shot, it's easy.

it's called the pubic symphysis, to find it put your finger underneath the inside of the pelvis and you can feel the "middle" it will be a raised ridge that I have found, thru no scientific certainty so you don't need to educate me about it, that it gets smaller as the animal ages. I have split deer, elk & moose using nothing more than a 4"-5" knife, had a hell of time trying it with a bear though.

[JJB11B]

 

[wadu1]

A very sharp fillet type knife, cut around the pooper (I'm only saying it once) as Iceman said, and it pulls right out.

Perfect process have used this one for many years. I would love to use the "Butt Out" on some of the a$$es at work. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Deer poop doesn't do squat to the meat.  Pee ain't real good for it and gut juice can sour it but a few nuggets bouncing around the cavity don't do nothing.   Recycled plant material is all it is.

You obviously don't know anything about e-coli.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/5/01-0373_article.htm

Very low risk, and extremely low when proper precautions are taken.

"Although several reports document the presence of O157 in deer (4–6), only one report (4) has shown evidence of an O157 infection from eating venison."

"The abdominal gunshot wound increased the likelihood that intestinal contents initially contaminated the deer carcass. In addition, the extended time it took the deer to die, fecal contamination of the abdominal cavity, the warm day and mild evening temperatures, and the 2-day interval between deer kill and processing likely supported the dissemination and growth of O157 throughout the carcass. Lastly, a large quantity of undercooked venison tenderloin was eaten."

You're welcome to take your chances Bob. I'll do otherwise.  Rare? Maybe, but not unheard of by a long shot. In the Oregon case, they found e-coli in 10% of the samples tested. As long as it's present in a population, it can get worse.

http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2011/08/oregon_confirms_deer_droppings.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/e-coli-tainted-venison-kabobs-sicken-minn-students-1C6435997

http://www.ugacfs.org/hottopics/deer.html

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1202&context=natrespapers

[hillbilli]

I used to split the pelvis- i hated just cutting off the pooper from the guts- it just aint clean. Someone showed me a better way.. I do carry and use the "field dressing gloves"- plastic sleeves with rubber hand surgical gloves. When gutting- cut around the pooper, (only need to cut an inch or two in) then reach through from the gut side- hook it with your fingers and pull it out- no more busted or ripped bowel- no more deer pellets falling inside, clean, neat, quick.

[Fester]

The Hunter's Specialties BUTT OUT

Got it for X-mas a few years back when they first came out and I too laughed my (&*(& off and everytime I showed a hunter friend we would laugh all over again.
But tried it, and now the hole family and hunting partners and family uses it. Much cleaner and faster. I'm an old hunter and stuck in my ways but this darn thing really works. The guy that invented it must have had a sick mind or hated that part with a passion.
My Daughter got the Butt out 2 because she wanted to stay away from the bung hole as far as she could.

[Mike450r]

Deer poop doesn't do squat to the meat.  Pee ain't real good for it and gut juice can sour it but a few nuggets bouncing around the cavity don't do nothing.   Recycled plant material is all it is.

You obviously don't know anything about e-coli.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/5/01-0373_article.htm

I do know about e coli.  I remember the Oregon strawberry field story from a few years ago.  It is rare but best to take precaution.  I don't even think about it to be honest.  I was referring to it having an effect on meat quality as urine and gut juice is a bigger problem with tainting the meat in regards to flavor.

[BULLBLASTER]

Save your money, you dont need it, dont need to split the pelvis either....gutting is really not that difficult to do.

it takes 2-4 minutes tops with only a knife to dress a deer. No need to split the pelvis either. I like my fishing filet knife or my havalon for gutting.

YOU'RE FAST and I am slow. I remember Pathfinder101 pushing me out of the way becuase I was taking to long to gut a deer back in 2007

I've been known to take over for a few people.  its so hard for me too sit there and watch someone struggle at gutting. I'm not a very good teacher I guess... but I like it to be done quickly and thoroughly... I learned from watching my cousin who is very fast amd clean.

[Crunch14]

The best way to learn is to do it.  Patience with a newbie can be difficult, but it's fun to watch them get into it.  We hunted with a neighbor once (60 y/o) that had taken LOTS of animals.  When he got his deer he just stood there.  When we asked if he needed a knife his response was, "well whose going to gut it?".

We all said, you shot it you gut it.  It was his first time and he puked twice, either his mom or brother had always done it.

[Yondering]

Go gutless and don't even be concerned with the pelvis or innards until you're done and ready to get at the tenders, liver, and heart.

You guys talking about "gutless", are you meaning to split the hide down the back, and get the meat out without gutting? Are you doing this in the field, or bringing the whole deer back to camp first. If you do it in the field, do you just bring big ziploc bags for the meat, or

I've never done it that way on deer (works great for squirrels), but I'm leaning that way. I've always hated gutting, but have no problem with the butchering once the guts are gone.

How far down do you skin the carcass for this method, and do you split the hide at the back of the legs, or ??

[Broken Arrow]

Yondering. Here is a gutless method video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZsO4tsrKPw

[sakoshooter]

Splitting the pelvis in the woods just exposes the meat to dirt and leaves etc while dragging it out. Both legs will flop around wherever they want after the pelvis is split. The rectum can easily be removed without splitting it and even more so, don't even cut the skin from the hole to the stomach. Just cut around the rectum in as far as your knife will reach being careful not to cut the intestine walls. Hug the inside of the pelvic bone. Then just make a small incision in front of the penis and stop just short of the sternum. That's all the bigger hole anyone needs to remove everything. Now there is very little chance of getting the insides all dirty while transporting. Very simple.
After it's hung in camp or home, then open up the chest more so it cools more easily. The two butchers I've used over the years also tell me to leave the skin on a deer for as long as possible since it's form fitting and the best protection the meat has.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Splitting the pelvis in the woods just exposes the meat to dirt and leaves etc while dragging it out. Both legs will flop around wherever they want after the pelvis is split. The rectum can easily be removed without splitting it and even more so, don't even cut the skin from the hole to the stomach. Just cut around the rectum in as far as your knife will reach being careful not to cut the intestine walls. Hug the inside of the pelvic bone. Then just make a small incision in front of the penis and stop just short of the sternum. That's all the bigger hole anyone needs to remove everything. Now there is very little chance of getting the insides all dirty while transporting. Very simple.
After it's hung in camp or home, then open up the chest more so it cools more easily. The two butchers I've used over the years also tell me to leave the skin on a deer for as long as possible since it's form fitting and the best protection the meat has.

I'm with you all the way.

[Yondering]

Yondering. Here is a gutless method video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZsO4tsrKPw

Thanks!