I-90 Car top Buck

[bearpaw]

This topic reminds me of those semi trucks I often see driving down interstate 5 full of live chickens, feathers blowing everywhere. I wonder what people think when they see that? Do they even know those chickens are on their way to be slaughtered, and will soon be in neatly wrapped packages at their nearest Safeway store?

There are a lot of people, including me, who think that the poor chickens are living a horrible existence. The animals we hunt roam free their whole lives. Those poor things suffer in tiny cages from the day they're born. I still have a whole chicken in the fridge to cook, though!

I have to ask, how do you know the chickens are suffering?

I honestly think you are assuming they are suffering since you would not like to be in a cage that size.

Have you considered that some of your houseplants are more confined than those chickens?

Have you considered that possibly your house plants and the chickens do not know any different and that the house plant is just happy getting watered once a week and the chickens are just happy getting fed each day?

Could it be that humans are affected with Disney syndrome and simply assuming things about other animals raised for consumption based on their own feelings about how they want to live?

I think that very possibly those chickens know no different. They are raised in a small area, fed regularly, perhaps they are perfectly content until they are given a quick death without prolonged suffering and put in the meat department of your local grocery store.

I don't know, but it's not got anything to do with Disney. They do have an incredibly high mortality rate - something like 30%. Would you transport you dogs like that - no room to move and exposed to the elements regardless of the weather? No? Why not? Because you give a crap about your dogs. Like I said, I still eat the chickens. I'm just not under the impression that they're treated at all well. And no, I don't believe houseplants and animals are the same. Not sure why you're coming after me, Dale.  But this thread has definitely been jacked from the OP.

Don't get defensive, I wasn't going after you, I was only commenting and posing reasonable questions regarding your post. Would you consider the chicken to have more rights than the houseplant? I see the house plant as an equal to a chicken, it has just as much right to life as the chicken in my mind. 

I'm still not sure there is any evidence that dispaying kills is bad for the sport and if it is bad is that due to the fact that most hunters quit displaying their animals. Would hunting possibly be more accepted if it was the norm to see dead animals being hauled in to feed families?

Again, I am not going after anyone, I am only asking the question and discussing the issue?

[bearpaw]

This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.

I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.

So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?

NO

I used to think we should but we live in a world where it takes shock and awe and in your face to make progress.  Look at the open carry movement getting more and more visible and holding their ground and recruiting more people who may have been on the fence.  If hunters promote the benefits of the sport and stop calling it a sport and refer to it as a use of human instincts that are part of our biology, we are hunter gatherers, that morphed into an agrarian society.  Use more anthropology and less defensiveness we could make more headway.  Hunting coincides with the movement toward paleo diets, non gmo foods, and the entire back to whole unprocessed foods movement, many of the treehugging bunny lickers as you call them would be on your side if you promote hunting from a different angle.  How do I know this because i do it every day in an art department at a university and even a vegan prof could see the merit when I explained it on an anthropological biological basis.

That makes a lot of sense. 

[Becky]

This is an interesting topic that should be discussed.

I have to ask myself, are we benefitting our sport to try and hide it? Gays and lesbians seem to think they are better off to parade in the streets and it seems to be working and they seem to be more accepted by a larger portion of society.

So is it really in our best interest to try and hide our sport?

NO

I used to think we should but we live in a world where it takes shock and awe and in your face to make progress.  Look at the open carry movement getting more and more visible and holding their ground and recruiting more people who may have been on the fence.  If hunters promote the benefits of the sport and stop calling it a sport and refer to it as a use of human instincts that are part of our biology, we are hunter gatherers, that morphed into an agrarian society.  Use more anthropology and less defensiveness we could make more headway.  Hunting coincides with the movement toward paleo diets, non gmo foods, and the entire back to whole unprocessed foods movement, many of the treehugging bunny lickers as you call them would be on your side if you promote hunting from a different angle.  How do I know this because i do it every day in an art department at a university and even a vegan prof could see the merit when I explained it on an anthropological biological basis.

I've read quite a few stories of "hipsters" and Seattleites going into hunting because of this exact reason. They want to know their food is ACTUALLY natural, know where it came from, and be in control of their food source. It's actually a great movement that's starting up small and getting bigger.

I agree with you on that.. but how will they "get" all that by seeing a dead animal carcass on a rooftop going down the freeway? Unfortunately their first reaction is disgust.. I've heard/read/seen it all over facebook and from non-hunting friends that I have to try to educate afterwards. I'm not saying either way what's best, only saying what I've seen from this side of the state when these circumstances have arose.

[bobcat]

What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

[bearpaw]

What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

That makes sense, good point if that's the way they take it.

I still have to ask, do they get that attitude because all hunter are not displaying their kill. If all hunters diosplayed their kill would it possibly be far more accepted by many more people?

For the record I usually put my kills in the back of my truck, probably in a hap hazard way since I just toss them in. I figure they are dead and getting tossed in really doesn't hurt them. But I am not big on drawing attention to myself, so they are usually mostly out of sight.

But perhaps that is a mistake, perhaps all hunters would be better off if we always displayed our kills and the public was used to seeing them? 

[Bob33]

I will try to dig it up, but somewhere I read a survey of public sentiment about hunting and hunters. The majority of people do not have a problem with hunting if the meat is used. Killing purely for sport or trophy heads was not well accepted.

[Buckmark]

What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

That makes sense, good point if that's the way they take it.

I still have to ask, do they get that attitude because all hunter are not displaying their kill. If all hunters diosplayed their kill would it possibly be far more accepted by many more people?

For the record I usually put my kills in the back of my truck, probably in a hap hazard way since I just toss them in. I figure they are dead and getting tossed in really doesn't hurt them. But I am not big on drawing attention to myself, so they are usually mostly out of sight.

But perhaps that is a mistake, perhaps all hunters would be better off if we always displayed our kills and the public was used to seeing them? 

Hummm, so if there is something, anything you or someone else is not accepting of or even dont really have an opinion one way or another, but you dont have to see or experience it would seeing it or experiencing it make you accept it?
Example since it has been brought up in this thread, homosexuallity, you may not care one way or another, or maybe you do have an opinion (not asking for it) but since it is not really out in the open for you to see it is a non issue for you, but all of a sudden you are seeing more PDA's of same sex partners in Colville, does that make it more acceptable to you? (again, not asking if you accept it or not).
Not using "you" as you Dale..

[boneaddict]

I wonder if some folks are ignorant (not really thinking) enough to see only the heads on the bumper and associate that with that's all that was taken, while the meat is hidden securely in back.      Most hunters know better and don't think anything of it.   Which leads me to a whole other point.  Deer legs and hides left hanging from trees or piled up at camp sites.  I'm not really a prude but really don't think that's good for the image of hunters, and I really don't appreciated deer or elk hair all over my campsite. 

[bearpaw]

What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

That makes sense, good point if that's the way they take it.

I still have to ask, do they get that attitude because all hunter are not displaying their kill. If all hunters diosplayed their kill would it possibly be far more accepted by many more people?

For the record I usually put my kills in the back of my truck, probably in a hap hazard way since I just toss them in. I figure they are dead and getting tossed in really doesn't hurt them. But I am not big on drawing attention to myself, so they are usually mostly out of sight.

But perhaps that is a mistake, perhaps all hunters would be better off if we always displayed our kills and the public was used to seeing them? 

Hummm, so if there is something, anything you or someone else is not accepting of or even dont really have an opinion one way or another, but you dont have to see or experience it would seeing it or experiencing it make you accept it?
Example since it has been brought up in this thread, homosexuallity, you may not care one way or another, or maybe you do have an opinion (not asking for it) but since it is not really out in the open for you to see it is a non issue for you, but all of a sudden you are seeing more PDA's of same sex partners in Colville, does that make it more acceptable to you? (again, not asking if you accept it or not).
Not using "you" as you Dale..

I don't have a problem, anyone can love who they want, just don't force it on me, I know plenty of people who are gay or lesbian and get along with them fine. However, the fact remains that gays and lesbians made a huge movement to bring their sexual preferences into the open and as a result it appears they are more accepted in  society.

I think it's pretty hard to deny that?

[boneaddict]

by the way, there have been occasions that I am quite proud of my kill.   I will show them off a bit, as I think other hunters like to see them, just as much as I like to check out a good rack while driving down the road.  It might be the only rack I get to check out anymore.



I agree Dale.   

[irishevox]

bear paw i sent you ome PM's

[bearpaw]

I wonder if some folks are ignorant (not really thinking) enough to see only the heads on the bumper and associate that with that's all that was taken, while the meat is hidden securely in back.      Most hunters know better and don't think anything of it.   Which leads me to a whole other point.  Deer legs and hides left hanging from trees or piled up at camp sites.  I'm not really a prude but really don't think that's good for the image of hunters, and I really don't appreciated deer or elk hair all over my campsite.

Regarding the legs and hair in campsites I totally agree, pretty disrespectful to leave their garbage (hides), just another form of littering.

[bearpaw]

bear paw i sent you ome PM's

I'll look and reply... 

[Buckmark]

I wonder if some folks are ignorant (not really thinking) enough to see only the heads on the bumper and associate that with that's all that was taken, while the meat is hidden securely in back.      Most hunters know better and don't think anything of it.   Which leads me to a whole other point.  Deer legs and hides left hanging from trees or piled up at camp sites.  I'm not really a prude but really don't think that's good for the image of hunters, and I really don't appreciated deer or elk hair all over my campsite.

Image is and always will be a problem for any user group etc.
There are bad apples everywhere and in everything people do, from sports fans, teachers, religious leaders, hunters etc....
This is what this whole discussion is about to me, Image.... we may not see our action in a bad light and those that oppose us do not care what we do to make our image better, its those that have not formed an opinion that matter i think.
Antlers out of a truck, even a wrapped carcass with just the head showing on top of a car will in most cases not offend someone, its the few that use there "right" to make a statement that tarnish the whole.
Antlers dont usually offend most people, even nonhunters (ever eaten at claimjumper, mounts all over) or alot of other establishments, Lodges etc, people love the country look of a fireplace with a mount over it...

[Buckmark]

What could be bad for hunting, in my mind, is when heads are displayed, as if that's all we as hunters care about. Many people already think that hunters only hunt for the heads. And many even believe that the animals that we kill are left in the woods, and only the head is brought out.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

That makes sense, good point if that's the way they take it.

I still have to ask, do they get that attitude because all hunter are not displaying their kill. If all hunters diosplayed their kill would it possibly be far more accepted by many more people?

For the record I usually put my kills in the back of my truck, probably in a hap hazard way since I just toss them in. I figure they are dead and getting tossed in really doesn't hurt them. But I am not big on drawing attention to myself, so they are usually mostly out of sight.

But perhaps that is a mistake, perhaps all hunters would be better off if we always displayed our kills and the public was used to seeing them? 

Hummm, so if there is something, anything you or someone else is not accepting of or even dont really have an opinion one way or another, but you dont have to see or experience it would seeing it or experiencing it make you accept it?
Example since it has been brought up in this thread, homosexuallity, you may not care one way or another, or maybe you do have an opinion (not asking for it) but since it is not really out in the open for you to see it is a non issue for you, but all of a sudden you are seeing more PDA's of same sex partners in Colville, does that make it more acceptable to you? (again, not asking if you accept it or not).
Not using "you" as you Dale..

I don't have a problem, anyone can love who they want, just don't force it on me, I know plenty of people who are gay or lesbian and get along with them fine. However, the fact remains that gays and lesbians made a huge movement to bring their sexual preferences into the open and as a result it appears they are more accepted in  society.

I think it's pretty hard to deny that?

With you 100%, no denying it.....