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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2013, 11:58:14 PM »
I 100 percent agree with workmens friend. I was hunting Oak Creek for elk that same year he discussed {1985}. The snow came early and it snowed as I recall every day of the season. The group I was with filled our cow tags easily. That was a freak storm that only occurs about once every 30 years. Around 36 bulls were killed within three miles of the Oak creek feeding station the first two days of the season. It was great for all hunters involed that year. Fast forward a little. As a result of that freak storm the game dept decided to make it there mission to make sure hunters never get an opurtunity to catch migrating elk again. They used the excuse that they needed more breeder bulls in the herd so they made several changes including moving the season up so as to eliminate any possiblity of a major storm during the season. They involked the spike only rule for the general season. The spike only rule was not supposed to be more than five years. At this point it has been well past that time table. They had plenty of big bulls in the herd after that first five year period. I believe the only goal was all along to manage the hunters and not the game. The game dept cannot manage the weather. They cannot manage predatory kill. They will not spend money to stop poachers. They cannot stop tribal hunting. They will not take the time and money to take accurate herd counts. They can manage the legal hunter by limiting your chances for succes with there laws. As our hunting heritage continues to be taken away from us on the entire west coast I simply refuse to participate in wash state hunting at all. Of course the farmers can take plenty of problem elk during the winter while  our cow tag allotments are decreasing. So many of our younger hunters believe that the draw sytem is not only good but is acually needed, To me they are mis informed and will certainly realize that some day. As the state continues to make sure Wa. increases the wolf population hunting oppurtunity will sufer further. Because this state is anti hunting the really good hunting for avid hunters will never be again. The state legislature approved a bill to spend 200 hundred thousand dollars of our tax money for seminars in eastern Wa. The state wants to teach our ranchers how to  get along with the wolf. Needless to say I agree with Workmans friend and then some. The spike only rule is not necessary. The three point rule is not necessary. The point system is not necessary. Moving the seasons up is not necessary. Stand by, the legislature is determined to outlaw lead core bullets.   

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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #76 on: October 29, 2013, 12:01:50 AM »
There is a very small minority of hunters using and hunting with long range rifles these days..the rifle I packed when I was 10 and today hasnt changed my effective range. Most guys are not shooting at deer past 40 yards some do, but the bows of the mid 80's you could still shoot past 40. My style of hunting hasnt changed beacause I have sitka gear on or my KUIU, just better quality clothing and breathablity.

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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #77 on: October 29, 2013, 06:55:12 AM »
This entire thread is ridiculous. It's pretty obvious that in most parts of the state we do NOT have excessive numbers of game. It's also obvious there is no shortage of hunters. We don't need increased opportunity to kill more deer and elk. It's unbelievable to me that anyone would think that. If anything we need shorter seasons and a decrease in the number of deer and elk tags issued each year.

I have a suggestion, then.
You can make a personal contribution to the management scheme you outline.

Quit hunting in Washington. Put in for tags in Colorado. Or Wyoming. Or Montana.  Washington's outdoors will be that much less cluttered, and you will experience firsthand the kind of "opportunity" you advocate for the rest of us.

Where does it say that hunters, who pay the freight for wildlife management in this state, shouldn't expect — nay, DEMAND — more and better opportunity?





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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #78 on: October 29, 2013, 07:02:22 AM »
Dave, we can demand "more and better opportunity" but we will never get it until there are more animals to hunt, period.

If we hunters had longer seasons at better times, and were able to kill more deer and elk each year, how long would that last?




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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #79 on: October 29, 2013, 08:42:15 AM »
Dave, we can demand "more and better opportunity" but we will never get it until there are more animals to hunt, period.

If we hunters had longer seasons at better times, and were able to kill more deer and elk each year, how long would that last?




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On the East side we have the deer numbers back and less hunters than when they implemented the shorter seasons, why have we not had the seasons re adjusted?
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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #80 on: October 29, 2013, 09:02:49 AM »
Oh Brian is just going through a mid life crisis.  :chuckle: :chuckle:

Everything was better in the 80's
Music, the Mullet, Chicks..
Didn't have yuppies in Subaru's chasing birds around the woods.
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Dave tell me this isn't Brian in the 80's  :chuckle:


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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #81 on: October 29, 2013, 09:04:58 AM »
 :chuckle:
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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #82 on: October 29, 2013, 09:51:31 AM »
Oh Brian is just going through a mid life crisis.  :chuckle: :chuckle:

Dave tell me this isn't Brian in the 80's  :chuckle:



No, I think that's "bobcat"

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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #83 on: October 29, 2013, 11:14:03 AM »
Dave, we can demand "more and better opportunity" but we will never get it until there are more animals to hunt, period.

If we hunters had longer seasons at better times, and were able to kill more deer and elk each year, how long would that last?

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Evidently, we're there.


NEWS RELEASE

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October 24, 2013                                           

Contact: Dave Ware, (360) 902-2509

 

Elk hunting prospects good statewide,

2012 harvest best in years

 

OLYMPIA – After a strong harvest in 2012, Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) game managers are again forecasting good elk hunting opportunities statewide when the 2013 modern-firearm general season opens Saturday (Oct. 26).

Dave Ware, game manager for WDFW, said last year’s elk harvest was the best since at least 1997.

“Our elk harvest has consistently been between roughly 7,000 and 8,800 animals,” said Ware. “But last year, Washington hunters took 9,162 elk, both bulls and cows. It was definitely our best season since at least 1997 when we moved to our current and more reliable method for determining harvest numbers.”

Ware said the last few years have been good statewide for calf recruitment and adult survival, adding that all of the state’s major herds are at or above population management objectives. As such, he predicts good opportunities throughout Washington’s elk country. 

“News across the state is pretty good, especially for Eastern Washington elk tag holders,” said Ware. “The Yakima Elk Herd’s productivity began declining several years ago, so we backed off our antlerless tags. Productivity has since increased, and, based on last year’s calf survival, I think hunters can expect to see good numbers of spikes in 2013.”

News is similar in the Blue Mountains, if not better.

“Our surveys indicate we’re seeing 40 percent survival on spike elk in the Blues, which is excellent,” said Ware. “A more typical number we expect to see is 20 percent post-hunt survival. This means there are plenty of elk escaping hunters, due in part to steep terrain. It looks like we should have very good numbers of spike bulls available in the Blue Mountains again this year.”

The Colockum Elk Herd is also above WDFW’s management objective and increasing. That should mean increased antlerless tag opportunities in the future, especially with the temporary decline in habitat conditions resulting from this summer’s catastrophic wildfires that swept across the Colockum and L.T. Murray wildlife areas, as well as surrounding lands.

“The effects of the fire shouldn’t affect the 2013 season much,” said Ware. “The new, green grass growing on burned landscapes is like candy to elk, so hunters might want to look in and around burned areas close to timbered cover. As always, scouting is important, and so is the ability to adapt to different access options and/or elk distribution and behavior caused by fires and post-fire flooding. Hunters should also be mindful of the true-spike regulation in place in these GMUs.”

Ware also mentioned the Selkirk Elk Herd, which is comprised of many small bands of elk spread out throughout the state’s northeastern corner. Numbers appear to be stable, said Ware, but scouting is especially key to success in this part of the state due to vast habitat and small, roaming bands of elk.

“Hunter success has held strong over the last several years in Northeast Washington,” Ware said.

In Western Washington, the St. Helens Elk Herd continues to be the state’s largest, despite hoof disease affecting an undetermined minority of the total population.

“Hunters should be aware that if they follow basic techniques for caring for game, animals infected with hoof disease appear to pose no threat to human health based on all of those examined so far,” said Ware.

WDFW is investigating potential causes and solutions to address elk hoof disease in Southwest Washington and is asking hunters to report any hoof deformities they encounter via the department’s website. http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/health/hoof_disease/.

“Elk numbers remain very high, and we expect good hunter success,” said Ware. “With some private timber lands going into fee access, it will become increasingly important to plan ahead, scout, and develop alternatives going forward. Still, there is plenty of access available.”

Ware said WDFW is continuing to seek a range of solutions to maintain free or inexpensive access on private timberlands in Western Washington.

Meanwhile, Southwestern Washington’s Willapa Hills Elk Herd, is at objective and should offer good opportunities for three-point or better Roosevelt elk bulls, Ware said. Some hunters may be frustrated by a lack of drive-in access in places, but Ware said those willing to walk behind closed gates – where legal – stand the best chances of encountering and harvesting elk.

“There’s something about the magic number two miles behind a closed gate to make elk feel secure,” said Ware.

He extends this same advice to hunters pursuing three-point or better Roosevelt elk bulls from the Olympic Herd, whose population is also stable and at objective.

“The lower elevations receive a lot of pressure,” Ware said. “Older age-class bulls are typically found in higher elevation roadless areas or two or more miles behind closed gates where they feel safe.”

Ware reminds hunters of WDFW’s Private Lands Hunting Access Program (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/hunting_access/private_lands/), as well as the agency’s new GoHunt! mapping feature (http://apps.wdfw.wa.gov/gohunt/), which includes layers displaying public and private lands, game-management units, and other useful information.

Along with securing legal access, hunters are advised to make safety their top priority.

“Statistics show that hunting is a very safe sport, especially compared to most other outdoor activities,” Ware said. “Hunters are trained to make sure they have a safe shot, and non-hunters can help ensure their safety by making themselves visible in the field.”

All hunters using modern firearms – or in areas open to hunting with modern firearms – are required to wear hunter-orange clothing as specified by state law. Ware suggests hikers, mushroom pickers and others in areas open to hunting wear bright, colorful clothing to maximize their visibility, as well.

Fire danger has mostly subsided for the year, but caution with campfires is always important. The state’s only remaining campfire ban remains in effect through Oct. 31 at the Columbia Basin Wildlife Area in Eastern Washington’s Grant and Adams counties.

Ware reminds hunters of WDFW’s third-annual 2014 Big Game Regulations Pamphlet Contest. This year’s theme is hunting camps, and the winning photo submitted will adorn the cover of 475,000 pamphlets next year. Photos must be submitted via the WDFW website at http://wdfw.wa.gov/sharephotos/contest.html.

“Please remember to bring a camera to snap a few quality photos of your elk camp,” said Ware. “Even if you don’t win the contest, pictures of camp memories are a precious commodity to most of us who hunt.”


Before heading out into the field, hunters should always double check the Big Game Hunting pamphlet for details.


YEP: We want to emphasize camping with guns for next hunting season.
 
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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #84 on: October 29, 2013, 11:25:13 AM »
I hunt the Yakima herd and I don't believe for a minute  that the herd is that big, add up all the elk at all the feed stations and then about what percent doesn't show and I bet it isn't near that big. In gmu 340 look up the hunter days per harvest , its something like 367 days per kill!! Why would the young generation want to hunt. For deer in the Kittitas and Yakima counties there numbers are running about half of what they were 6 years ago. Its very concerning.

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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #85 on: October 29, 2013, 11:31:19 AM »
Heck I might as well throw a prediction that goes in line with the WDFW's. Every hunter will see on average 7.8 elk and harvest 1.267. This is going to be best year ever so keep applying for those special permits!!
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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #86 on: October 29, 2013, 11:43:52 AM »
As the state continues to make sure Wa. increases the wolf population hunting oppurtunity will sufer further. Because this state is anti hunting the really good hunting for avid hunters will never be again.

Evidently you have a disconnect from the reality of what is happening since wolves have expanded in Washington.

According to what Dave Workman posted............

"“ Dave Ware, game manager for WDFW, said last year’s elk harvest was the best since at least 1997.  Our elk harvest has consistently been between roughly 7,000 and 8,800 animals,” said Ware. “But last year, Washington hunters took 9,162 elk, both bulls and cows. It was definitely our best season since at least 1997 when we moved to our current and more reliable method for determining harvest numbers.”

And according to huntnphool ...........

"On the East side we have the deer numbers back and less hunters than when they implemented the shorter seasons, why have we not had the seasons re adjusted?"

Evidently the Greenie plan to ruin hunting with wolves is not working properly. In fact it seems to be backfiring. The herds are growing!

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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #87 on: October 29, 2013, 12:00:21 PM »
Unlike a lot of the guys on this forum, I can little afford out-of-state tags - I hope to in two years for MT. The ten days of archery season I get in September is the only vacation I get per year. I would prefer more options like being able to hunt multiple seasons (although 5 attempts and I have yet to draw Multi-elk). Back in NH, you could hunt all three seasons and archery was 3 months long. You could kill a deer for each weapon when you purchased each tag. It is different here, but I'm not going back for anything. I understand the author's points and I believe the Dept. of Watchable Wildlife is screwing hunters (see the Skagit fiasco). I just have few alternatives, so I do what I'm able.
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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #88 on: October 29, 2013, 12:06:45 PM »
As the state continues to make sure Wa. increases the wolf population hunting oppurtunity will sufer further. Because this state is anti hunting the really good hunting for avid hunters will never be again.

Evidently you have a disconnect from the reality of what is happening since wolves have expanded in Washington.

According to what Dave Workman posted............

"“ Dave Ware, game manager for WDFW, said last year’s elk harvest was the best since at least 1997.  Our elk harvest has consistently been between roughly 7,000 and 8,800 animals,” said Ware. “But last year, Washington hunters took 9,162 elk, both bulls and cows. It was definitely our best season since at least 1997 when we moved to our current and more reliable method for determining harvest numbers.”

And according to huntnphool ...........

"On the East side we have the deer numbers back and less hunters than when they implemented the shorter seasons, why have we not had the seasons re adjusted?"

Evidently the Greenie plan to ruin hunting with wolves is not working properly. In fact it seems to be backfiring. The herds are growing!
The wolves aren't yet at 'operating capacity'.  When there's 'confirmed' 15 breeding pairs, we'll see what the herds look like.  The WDFW wolf plan predicts that wolves will take a percentage that is equal to state hunters.
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Re: An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks
« Reply #89 on: October 29, 2013, 12:23:00 PM »
you said it isnt commonly used in todays hunting practices.
Ok genius, that's twice now. How about you show everyone where I said that, once again I suggest you get your facts strait.

Ok genius, i cant help you be smart. Again, no need to get upset and start calling names like a 3rd grader. Its ok for people to disagree with you. Its normal. Im not the only one who took what you said for the meaning that it represented.
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