An 'ex-WA elk hunter' speaks

[huntnphool]

you said it isnt commonly used in todays hunting practices.

Ok genius, that's twice now. How about you show everyone where I said that, once again I suggest you get your facts strait.

Ok genius, i cant help you be smart. Again, no need to get upset and start calling names like a 3rd grader. Its ok for people to disagree with you. Its normal. Im not the only one who took what you said for the meaning that it represented.

I don't much care how you take what I say, just make sure that when you quote someone, you quote what they actually said and not make things up.

[pianoman9701]

As the state continues to make sure Wa. increases the wolf population hunting oppurtunity will sufer further. Because this state is anti hunting the really good hunting for avid hunters will never be again.

Evidently you have a disconnect from the reality of what is happening since wolves have expanded in Washington.

According to what Dave Workman posted............

"“ Dave Ware, game manager for WDFW, said last year’s elk harvest was the best since at least 1997.  Our elk harvest has consistently been between roughly 7,000 and 8,800 animals,” said Ware. “But last year, Washington hunters took 9,162 elk, both bulls and cows. It was definitely our best season since at least 1997 when we moved to our current and more reliable method for determining harvest numbers.”

And according to huntnphool ...........

"On the East side we have the deer numbers back and less hunters than when they implemented the shorter seasons, why have we not had the seasons re adjusted?"

Evidently the Greenie plan to ruin hunting with wolves is not working properly. In fact it seems to be backfiring. The herds are growing!

The wolves aren't yet at 'operating capacity'.  When there's 'confirmed' 15 breeding pairs, we'll see what the herds look like.  The WDFW wolf plan predicts that wolves will take a percentage that is equal to state hunters.

Maybe you mean carrying capacity?

[Fowlweather25]

you said it isnt commonly used in todays hunting practices.

Ok genius, that's twice now. How about you show everyone where I said that, once again I suggest you get your facts strait.

Ok genius, i cant help you be smart. Again, no need to get upset and start calling names like a 3rd grader. Its ok for people to disagree with you. Its normal. Im not the only one who took what you said for the meaning that it represented.

I don't much care how you take what I say, just make sure that when you quote someone, you quote what they actually said and not make things up.

Ok big guy!

[huntnphool]

you said it isnt commonly used in todays hunting practices.

Ok genius, that's twice now. How about you show everyone where I said that, once again I suggest you get your facts strait.

Ok genius, i cant help you be smart. Again, no need to get upset and start calling names like a 3rd grader. Its ok for people to disagree with you. Its normal. Im not the only one who took what you said for the meaning that it represented.

I don't much care how you take what I say, just make sure that when you quote someone, you quote what they actually said and not make things up.

Ok big guy!

Thank you

[KFhunter]

As the state continues to make sure Wa. increases the wolf population hunting oppurtunity will sufer further. Because this state is anti hunting the really good hunting for avid hunters will never be again.

Evidently you have a disconnect from the reality of what is happening since wolves have expanded in Washington.

According to what Dave Workman posted............

"“ Dave Ware, game manager for WDFW, said last year’s elk harvest was the best since at least 1997.  Our elk harvest has consistently been between roughly 7,000 and 8,800 animals,” said Ware. “But last year, Washington hunters took 9,162 elk, both bulls and cows. It was definitely our best season since at least 1997 when we moved to our current and more reliable method for determining harvest numbers.”

And according to huntnphool ...........

"On the East side we have the deer numbers back and less hunters than when they implemented the shorter seasons, why have we not had the seasons re adjusted?"

Evidently the Greenie plan to ruin hunting with wolves is not working properly. In fact it seems to be backfiring. The herds are growing!

Just like in Idaho - people go there and see Elk all over the place or have a great hunting season.  It's just the Elk not being able to retreat to the deep dark holes and stay there safely tucked away from 99% of hunters as the wolves push them back out into the open where people can see them and get a crack at them.   They're between a rock and a hard place.   

hypothetical to illustrate my point:

Remove all the wolves *poof* and disperse the Elk into their traditional habitat THEN go hunt them and then see how you do.

[Bob33]

...and according to WDFW there are only 100 wolves in Washington. Could any of their deer and elk population data also be skewed? Has anyone ever known of Dave Ware misrepresenting anything before?

Looking at this by region, wolves are mostly concentrated in the NE. How is that deer population doing up there?

Since the largest elk herd in the state is in the Selkirks and their decline hasn't altered total state elk population data, the wolves must be ok after all. 

[idahohuntr]

Just like in Idaho - people go there and see Elk all over the place or have a great hunting season.  It's just the Elk not being able to retreat to the deep dark holes and stay there safely tucked away from 99% of hunters as the wolves push them back out into the open where people can see them and get a crack at them.   They're between a rock and a hard place.   

hypothetical to illustrate my point:

Remove all the wolves *poof* and disperse the Elk into their traditional habitat THEN go hunt them and then see how you do.

I am confused by your statements.  Are you suggesting that wolves have made elk hunting easier/better in Idaho?   

[JLS]

As the state continues to make sure Wa. increases the wolf population hunting oppurtunity will sufer further. Because this state is anti hunting the really good hunting for avid hunters will never be again.

Evidently you have a disconnect from the reality of what is happening since wolves have expanded in Washington.

According to what Dave Workman posted............

"“ Dave Ware, game manager for WDFW, said last year’s elk harvest was the best since at least 1997.  Our elk harvest has consistently been between roughly 7,000 and 8,800 animals,” said Ware. “But last year, Washington hunters took 9,162 elk, both bulls and cows. It was definitely our best season since at least 1997 when we moved to our current and more reliable method for determining harvest numbers.”

And according to huntnphool ...........

"On the East side we have the deer numbers back and less hunters than when they implemented the shorter seasons, why have we not had the seasons re adjusted?"

Evidently the Greenie plan to ruin hunting with wolves is not working properly. In fact it seems to be backfiring. The herds are growing!

Just like in Idaho - people go there and see Elk all over the place or have a great hunting season.  It's just the Elk not being able to retreat to the deep dark holes and stay there safely tucked away from 99% of hunters as the wolves push them back out into the open where people can see them and get a crack at them.   They're between a rock and a hard place.   

hypothetical to illustrate my point:

Remove all the wolves *poof* and disperse the Elk into their traditional habitat THEN go hunt them and then see how you do.

The elk have resorted to standing in the armored bus stop shelters that Idaho children rely on so they don't get ate

Having hunted in Idaho and Montana, this is quite a stretch in my humble opinion.

[snowpack]

Just like in Idaho - people go there and see Elk all over the place or have a great hunting season.  It's just the Elk not being able to retreat to the deep dark holes and stay there safely tucked away from 99% of hunters as the wolves push them back out into the open where people can see them and get a crack at them.   They're between a rock and a hard place.   

hypothetical to illustrate my point:

Remove all the wolves *poof* and disperse the Elk into their traditional habitat THEN go hunt them and then see how you do.

I am confused by your statements.  Are you suggesting that wolves have made elk hunting easier/better in Idaho?

I've heard this too.  That many of the elk have been driven from the backcountry into safer areas which are more accessible to humans, so in the short term the hunter successes go up.  Some of the outfitters that operated (since only about half are left now) in the deeper wildernesses of MT/ID claimed that the herds moved on and they weren't able to get to nearly the numbers as before wolves. 
When the pioneers first came through the areas during westward expansion, it was noted that elk were mainly a plains/meadows animal.  Predators kept them from spending too much time in the forests, and Indians weren't much of a threat before they began to acquire guns and horses so the plains/meadows were safe.

[idahohuntr]

The elk have resorted to standing in the armored bus stop shelters that Idaho children rely on so they don't get ate

JLS: We should start $elling these in rural Idaho...make a killing! 

[JLS]

I've heard this too.  That many of the elk have been driven from the backcountry into safer areas which are more accessible to humans, so in the short term the hunter successes go up. 

I still see as many, if not more elk in the remote areas that I hunt.  They must not have gotten the memo to head for the barnyards and parking lots.

[JLS]

The elk have resorted to standing in the armored bus stop shelters that Idaho children rely on so they don't get ate

JLS: We should start $elling these in rural Idaho...make a killing! 

Bring your cutting torch and welder and I'll get the beer.

[Dave Workman]

As usual, the wise guys have tried to re-direct the thread.

We're talking Washington elk, not Idaho. 

Indeed  we're talking Washington GAME management

[JLS]

As usual, the wise guys have tried to re-direct the thread.

We're talking Washington elk, not Idaho. 

Indeed  we're talking Washington GAME management

Indeed we are, and I expressed my thoughts on how agriculture drastically limits elk opportunity in Washington.  Look at the Skagit debacle.  One damage claim was 25K bucks.  Whether or not the complainant wins, we live in a state where DFW is forced to manage elk herds with a large amount of financial liability and winter range that is fragmented beyond belief.

[idahohuntr]

If you or your buddy are an ex-WA elk hunter then it seems you should be more interested in Idaho elk