FDSB Red Setter pup's

[Don Fischer]

Litter of six male's whelped Oct. 10th. I have judged both the mother and sire last two springs in Walking Shooting Dog stakes, both are exceptional! That is an understatement! Mother, Red Delicious Breelie is AFTCA Region 10 Shooting dog of the Year 2010-2011. Going to see them Nov. 11th and will take photo's if anyone is interested.

http://gundogforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=44624

[AspenBud]

Two things.

1. Don't tempt me.

2. It's nice to see the letters FDSB on here instead or AKC for a change.

[Happy Gilmore]

I think you're supposed to become a sponsor of Hunt-Wa to advertise litters and they go into the sponsor classified section-

[Bmcox86]

Two things.

1. Don't tempt me.

2. It's nice to see the letters FDSB on here instead or AKC for a change.

 

[wildweeds]

Makes no difference of the letters of where they are registered are. I've owned more than one horrible dog with the FDSB paper,Fact is I have one now sired by a HOF CH and out of a CH female.

[KFhunter]

how do these red setters compare to a decent brittany?



this isn't a which is better post but exploring the differences...asking about temperment, training etc do they shut down like a brittany with pressure or will a red setter take more pressure like a lab?   will they settle down in the house/truck ok?


last red setter that looked field line I seen was hanging itself on it's leash after it jumped out the window of a truck after a squirrel - the owner (non-hunter)offered it to me for free 

[Wacenturion]

how do these red setters compare to a decent brittany?



this isn't a which is better post but exploring the differences...asking about temperment, training etc do they shut down like a brittany with pressure or will a red setter take more pressure like a lab?   will they settle down in the house/truck ok?


last red setter that looked field line I seen was hanging itself on it's leash after it jumped out the window of a truck after a squirrel - the owner (non-hunter)offered it to me for free 

Had Red Setters years ago, late 60's through early 80's.  Great little dogs.  Extremely birdy, choke bore noses, and twelve o'clock tails.  What not to like.  Typical loving setter personality in the home, mild mannered in nature, but all business in the field.  I would generalize that typically they are a little more receptive and forgiving than a Brittany in regards to discipline.  But again that varies so much with individual dog's and their respective relationship with their owners.  My Red Setters were on a par mentally with my labs when I field trialed retrievers back when.  However discipline was far more necessary in training a lab than letting a good field bred setter do his thing.  So it's not really a fair comparison.

Great dogs and if I lived in eastern Washington where I could put the time in the field like I used to during bird season, I have another in a heartbeat.


 

[Happy Gilmore]

From watching the Setter trial last year I see them a lot like Brittany's. They either rock and roll or they are duds. Not much in between. I know if I was shopping for either breed I'd be certain to see both the sire and dam work prior to investing in one.

[AspenBud]

how do these red setters compare to a decent brittany?



this isn't a which is better post but exploring the differences...asking about temperment, training etc do they shut down like a brittany with pressure or will a red setter take more pressure like a lab?   will they settle down in the house/truck ok?

This is strictly based on what I've been told by others who own them, not any personal experience, but I think setters, red or otherwise, have a reputation for being softer and lean towards being one man dogs.

Someone wanting a pointing dog that can handle more pressure would be better off looking to Pointers or some of the versatiles.

There's also a reasonable argument to be made saying that the red setter is still evolving. It is an attempt to fix what AKC show breeders ruined with the Irish Setter. You won't see one at Ames any time soon. Take from that what you want.   

last red setter that looked field line I seen was hanging itself on it's leash after it jumped out the window of a truck after a squirrel - the owner (non-hunter)offered it to me for free 

Sadly I don't think that's uncommon. People see a dog, like the look of it or like the novelty, and get in over their head. Of course, some just shouldn't have a dog period.

[Wacenturion]

how do these red setters compare to a decent brittany?



this isn't a which is better post but exploring the differences...asking about temperment, training etc do they shut down like a brittany with pressure or will a red setter take more pressure like a lab?   will they settle down in the house/truck ok?

This is strictly based on what I've been told by others who own them, not any personal experience, but I think setters, red or otherwise, have a reputation for being softer and lean towards being one man dogs.

Someone wanting a pointing dog that can handle more pressure would be better off looking to Pointers or some of the versatiles.

There's also a reasonable argument to be made saying that the red setter is still evolving. It is an attempt to fix what AKC show breeders ruined with the Irish Setter. You won't see one at Ames any time soon. Take from that what you want.   

last red setter that looked field line I seen was hanging itself on it's leash after it jumped out the window of a truck after a squirrel - the owner (non-hunter)offered it to me for free 

Sadly I don't think that's uncommon. People see a dog, like the look of it or like the novelty, and get in over their head. Of course, some just shouldn't have a dog period.

I might agree with your statement if you had said that 30-40 years ago.  I owned these dogs then and as a member of the NRSFTC, I was well aware of where the breed was and the efforts of those to improve it.  In my mind they got there.  Today's Red Setters are more than capable of holding their own against the best.  Here's an excerpt from the National red Setter Field Trial Club..

"Our crowning glory, the legendary victory at Di-Lane Plantation, the 1996 Region 13 Amateur Shooting Dog Championship where Desperado was named champion, his illustrious sire, Bearcat, claiming Runner Up in a field of eighty top Pointers and Setters in their own heartland. With intense pride we acknowledge the late great Bearcat’s record of 158 wins. That beats out all other pointing breeds in the history of American Field trials including the “white dogs”! Incredibly, a Red Setter also holds second place in that category, Abra’s awesome record of 156!"

Maybe not Ames, but certainly the above points out that they have arrived.  Remember field trials and winners are a product of not only dog breeds but more so the financial ability of said owners to campaign their dogs.  Considering the much lower number of "Red" Setters competing against English Pointers and English Setters and what they have accomplished, speaks volumes.     

[Happy Gilmore]

What's the breeders name in Wa that has both show and "FC" titled setters?

pretty much what is wrong with the pointing dog trials in general. Brittany's are a good example and the Setters. They run breed specific trials so they don't have to compete with all the other breeds.

[Wacenturion]

What's the breeders name in Wa that has both show and "FC" titled setters?

pretty much what is wrong with the pointing dog trials in general. Brittany's are a good example and the Setters. They run breed specific trials so they don't have to compete with all the other breeds.

That's exactly why you pick a dog from FDSB trialed and successful lineage.  Those are not just breed specific as I mentioned in the above post.  It is also what the NRSFTC is about, even with their own breed futurities and other trials...all age etc.  These FDSB trials dogs are running against the best in their breed, not Irish Setter types from AKC.  

[Happy Gilmore]

What's the breeders name in Wa that has both show and "FC" titled setters?

pretty much what is wrong with the pointing dog trials in general. Brittany's are a good example and the Setters. They run breed specific trials so they don't have to compete with all the other breeds.

That's exactly why you pick a dog from FDSB trialed and successful lineage.  Those are not just breed specific as I mentioned in the above post.  It is also what the NRSFTC is about, even with their own breed futurities and other trials...all age etc.  These FDSB trials dogs are running against the best in their breed, not Irish Setter types from AKC.

Exactly

[AspenBud]

What's the breeders name in Wa that has both show and "FC" titled setters?

pretty much what is wrong with the pointing dog trials in general. Brittany's are a good example and the Setters. They run breed specific trials so they don't have to compete with all the other breeds.

That's a pretty broad brush you're using there. The wins for varying dogs running in National Shoot to Retrieve Association trials are fairly evenly spread among many breeds, coverdog trials are predominantly setter and Pointer trials but Brittanys have made their way in, and the list goes on.

[Happy Gilmore]

What's the breeders name in Wa that has both show and "FC" titled setters?

pretty much what is wrong with the pointing dog trials in general. Brittany's are a good example and the Setters. They run breed specific trials so they don't have to compete with all the other breeds.

That's a pretty broad brush you're using there. The wins for varying dogs running in National Shoot to Retrieve Association trials are fairly evenly spread among many breeds, coverdog trials are predominantly setter and Pointer trials but Brittanys have made their way in, and the list goes on.

Trying to keep the list short