Most Versatile Hunting Dog

[Curly]

Cool.    Thanks.  I was just curious.  Now I'll just have to wonder why they think to be versatile the dog has to be a pointer???

[AspenBud]

Cool.    Thanks.  I was just curious.  Now I'll just have to wonder why they think to be versatile the dog has to be a pointer???

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[AspenBud]

Another was handling. I found the interpretation of handling very different from what I'm used to with retrievers. The handling required was very minimal. The dog wouldn't pass a seasoned HRC test.

Believe it or not I've seen a number of guys complain that the handling required at versatile hunting dog hunt tests is too much. If a dog stretches the range out and hits objectives rather than wasting time closer in on areas less likely to have birds, they are often called "self hunters." That's my understanding at least.

That said, if you're into the versatile game you are in it for more discipline and handling since the dogs may be expected to sit in a blind and retrieve a duck as well as dig up upland birds. A true upland pointing dog won't have that expectation and can be allowed to hunt more freely. The only thing it needs to do is be highly athletic, handle, hold a point, and possibly retrieve. I'm glossing over STWS etc but that's the crux of it.

At the end of it there is no right or wrong. Outside of tests and trials it's hunters' preferences.

I have to come back to my own quote here. I'm pretty sure handling like this would not win points at a NAVHDA hunt test. But these aren't "versatile" dogs either...

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[Happy Gilmore]

When the word, AKC Gun Dog National is used, it is licensed under this club; In the same category as the retriever clubs. Performance.

of the 20,000 AKC events per year this shouldn't be so hard for you to come up with one?

From AKC list of licensed performance clubs;

AKC Pointing Breed Gun Dog Championship
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SEALE, AL 36875
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[Happy Gilmore]

Same as here except the ACC has licenses to put on more diverse AKC sanctioned events.

American Chesapeake Club, Inc.
PO BOX 92
WILLIAMSTOWN, KY 41097
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[jetjockey]

Oh God you are an idiot. The PM's were right!

[Happy Gilmore]

Oh God you are an idiot. The PM's were right!

yup, they were right alright! I get them about folks too however, from folks who actually train dogs, not write checks to trainers for a living. lol

[jetjockey]

Haha.  Keep trying!  You look like an idiot right now.  You really do. 

[Happy Gilmore]

One of your fellow Brit owners and breeders wanted me to post this link. Paying close attention to 1986 when the club met the requirements to become an AKC Licensed Championship.

http://clubs.akc.org/brit/NationalGunDogChampionships.htm

[jetjockey]

And your point?  The ABC is a club under the umbrella of the AKC. You write the check for Nationals to the ABC, not the AKC.  BTW.  The GD Nationals isn't considered the real Nationals.  That's why the AKC title says AKC GDNFC, and not NFC!  Nationals occurs in Booneville.   Anything else you'd like to discuss which you know nothing about?  BTW..  Check the date!

Btw.  Here's a link to the NC.

http://clubs.akc.org/brit/NationalAllAgeChampionships.htm

[Happy Gilmore]

And your point?  The ABC is a club under the umbrella of the AKC. You write the check for Nationals to the ABC, not the AKC.  BTW.  The GD Nationals isn't considered the real Nationals.  That's why the AKC title says AKC GDNC, and not NFC!  Nationals occurs in Booneville.   Anything else you'd like to discuss which you know nothing about?  BTW..  Check the date!

Btw.  Here's a link to the NC.

http://clubs.akc.org/brit/NationalAllAgeChampionships.htm

When you've done the events applications for a field trial, hunt test or event period, chaired events, sat on the board for events and get some judging assignments give me a holler to talk about that which I don't know-

[jetjockey]

You dont even know that Brits have a GD and AA National.  Please tell me what you will teach me?   Besides, I know absolutely nothing about retriever trials, which is about the same amount you know of pointing dog trials.  The only difference is I don't claim to know anything about Retiever trials.  So tell us all again how we don't write our checks to the AKC for the AKC GD Nationals!

[Shannon]

Not to tag team you Happy, but you don't know much about NAVHDA testing either. Most people that run in the Utility test do force fetch there dog. The retrieve is scored in almost every part of the test and the dog will not get a Prize I if the retrieves are not clean. I'm not a NAVHDA judge or anything but I have ran two dogs in Natural Ability and the Utility test and achieved a max score and was invited to the Invitational. In Natural Ability(puppy test) there isn't any retrieving judged and its not necessary but in Utility and the Invitational it is a critical part of the test and is judged throughout the entire day. It sounds like the guy you helped either was training for the Natural Ability or didn't know what he was doing. In the puppy test the dogs are only required to swim a short distance but it's a major portion of the test in Utility and Invitational.

As long as your dog breed was not developed in North America you have a ok dog according to NAVHDA.. They say so right on their webpage.

Can you name a pointing dog that was developed here in the US? What about any hunting dog in general? The Chesapeake is the only one I can think of and they don't point.
I like all dogs and enjoy any dog "games" but the NAVHDA UT test is the one that most closely resembles the kind of hunting I do. It's mostly a breeding test but I do it because I enjoy it. Some of the other trials and test don't resemble hunting anymore IMO in a lot of ways. That's not to say they aren't fun to watch and participate in.

[Happy Gilmore]

I know nothing about NAVHDA other than the guy who I've trained with who went to the invitational with his dog. I ran thought his training session because he wanted to pick my brain on how to teach better handling. Just a very different game completely.

And by means of FF and pointers- few pointers if any are FF'd by modern standard of FF which typically is full collar conditioning etc- There is no need for it much more than a good hold which is easy to teach without the force by most.

As far as domestic breeds, once your two generations out from the grand dam, most people feel there is so little left that it doesn't matter. Just primarily the dam. So, that will narrow down most choices of foreign bred dogs to about 0.005% based upon how difficult it is to import dogs with waiting periods and quarantines.

[Shannon]

In the circle of people I test with in NAVHDA, the majority use Evan Graham's Smart Fetch series to train there dogs. This originated in the retriever world so I'm not sure how different we train. Most drop off when it comes to major retriever handling on blinds but the basics are the same.

As far as domestic breeds, once your two generations out from the grand dam, most people feel there is so little left that it doesn't matter. Just primarily the dam. So, that will narrow down most choices of foreign bred dogs to about 0.005% based upon how difficult it is to import dogs with waiting periods and quarantines.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this but if I understand it, the majority of the dogs tested in NAVHDA are domestic.