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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #390 on: January 17, 2014, 10:16:26 PM »
Did Sitka really not know the difference  :o

Somehow I don't think so, I think he knows exactly what "conservation northwest" is.



Thanks for bringing that up Bob33,  I caught it too but didn't post it. 
Nice to have someone else calling them to task for a change.


(oh btw Bob33 you just got labeled a "wolf whacko", welcome to the club!)
Some conservation group.  Bunch of eco-freakos.  The main driving force behind the anti-hound/bait/trap initiatives.

And just think WDFW work with them hand to mouth, along with Defenders of Wildlies.

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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #391 on: January 19, 2014, 07:09:33 AM »
:yeah:  We currently have a member on the WDFW Wildlife Commission who is a paid employee of Conservation Northwest an openly pro-wolf organization that is opposed to many types of hunting.  :twocents:

You are obviously talking about Jay Kehne. Who is a hunter and member of the Mule Deer Foundation and the Rocky Mt Elk Foundations. And he works for a conservation organization? So what? Since when did being a hunter mean you were against conservation? Most of the old time conservation guys were hunters who wanted to preserve what they loved. The fact that this has been twisted into "If you're for conservation, you're against us hunters" shows just how far logic has been thrown out the door and emotional garbage has replaced it.

The problem on this board is, many of you can't comprehend how fellow hunters aren't swayed by your emotional arguments about conservation in general and wolves in particular. So you suspect every one of us who even remotely disagrees with you of being a spy for the other side.  I tell you, the real anti's live in you guys' heads rent free.

Jay seems like a nice guy I have spoken with him at length, however, he works for a preservationist environmental organization that openly works to halt many forms of hunting, ranching, and much human use of our wild lands. Jay's boss Mitch Friedman at Conservation Northwest was an active member of "Earth First" an extreme environmentalist group that was involved in numerous types of environmental terrorism. I don't know what types of acts Friedman was involved with but he openly admits to tree sitting and to being very active in Earth first. While Jay is employed and being given direction by a known environmentalist group like Conservation Northwest he should not be allowed to sit on the commission, it is a clear conflict of interest.

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Examples of tactics
There are a wide variety of tactics that have been used by eco-terrorists and groups associated with eco-terrorism. Examples include:

Tree spiking is a common tactic that was first used by members of EarthFirst! in 1984. Tree spiking involves hammering a small spike into the trunk of a tree that may be logged with the intention of damaging the chainsaw or mill blades and may seriously injure the logger. Only one case of serious injury has been widely reported.

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In 2008 the Federal Bureau of Investigation said eco-terrorists represented "one of the most serious domestic terrorism threats in the U.S. today" citing the sheer volume of their crimes (over 2,000 since 1979); the huge economic impact (losses of more than $110 million since 1979); the wide range of victims (from international corporations to lumber companies to animal testing facilities to genetic research firms); and their increasingly violent rhetoric and tactics (one recent communiqué sent to a California product testing company said: "You might be able to protect your buildings, but can you protect the homes of every employee?").[37]

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Spiking trees became a federal offense in the United States when it was added to the Drug Act in 1988.



http://www.conservationnw.org/who-we-are/staff/mitch-friedman

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Mitch Friedman's biography

A life for the trees
Mitch Friedman is the executive director of Conservation Northwest (known first as Greater Ecosystem Alliance, then Northwest Ecosystem Alliance), which he founded in 1988 after being an activist leader in efforts to save ancient forests.


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Among his best known stunts include:

-Organizing the first spotted owl protection protests
-Spending many hours in the canopy of ancient trees as one of the first tree-sitting protesters
-Conceiving and organizing the Ancient Forest Rescue Expedition, nationwide educational tours featuring a giant log towed by a semi-truck
-Executing the first non-logging high bid for a Forest Service timber sale (called Thunder Mountain)
-Spearheading the conservation acquisition of the Loomis State Forest wildlands, as well as the highly successful coalition effort, The Cascades -Conservation Partnership



http://seattletimes.com/html/pacificnw/2017630758_pacificpmitch11.html
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Originally published March 10, 2012 at 10:00 PM | Page modified March 12, 2012 at 10:35 AM

A once radical Mitch Friedman now collaborates for a wilder Northwest

The former radical environmentalist's recent run of wildlife-habitat successes were mostly created by some degree of quiet collaboration with traditional environmental foes such as federal land managers, ranchers, loggers and hound hunters.

By Ron Judd

A yellowed clip is testament to Friedman's older, loftier principles -- including multiple, headline-drawing "tree sits" to protest the logging of Northwest old-growth forests.
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Old Earth First! tactics, such as this scaling of the U.S. Forest Service regional headquarters in Portland to erect a banner on the day of President Clinton's forest summit in 1995 (Friedman is on the left), "could have been less-alienating," Friedman admits. "Back then, I did the only thing I had the wherewithal to do."
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As a former radical environmentalist, Friedman, at 48, admits to occasionally struggling with his own identity. Once a vagabond, he's now had the same job -- a paying one -- for two decades, and can't even remember details of the last time he got arrested: "It's been 23 years."
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Oh: and a civil-disobedience record sufficient to gain instant jail-cred at any reunion of aging Earth First!ers.

That last fact has both everything and nothing to do with Friedman's recent run of wildlife-habitat successes, most created by some degree of quiet collaboration with traditional environmental foes such as federal land managers, ranchers, loggers and hound hunters.

He is probably violating numerous green-movement codes even broaching this subject, but Friedman at 48 has achieved what a twenty-something Friedman, the rabble-rousing Earth First! tree-sitter, could not have imagined: demonstrable success in the battle to save wild critters many Northwesterners hold dear.




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EARTH FIRST! (EF)
Earth First! Journal
 P.O. Box 964
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URL :http://www.earthfirst.org/

•Radical environmentalist group with a long history of violence and sabotage
•Pioneered tactics like tree sitting and tree spiking to thwart logging and development 
 
Over time, EF's tactics and objectives became heavily influenced by Dave Foreman's 1985 book Ecodefense: A Field Guide to Monkeywrenching, which provided detailed instructions for such actions as downing power lines, disabling heavy machinery and equipment, destroying roads, making smoke bombs, and otherwise interfering with the work of land developers, ranchers, loggers, and farmers—particularly those who grew genetically modified crops. Other EF tactics included assault, arson, and “tree-spiking”—i.e., driving thick metal rods as deeply as possible into a tree intended for logging, in order to disable any saw that comes in contact with it.

 In 1987, tree-spiking claimed its first known casualty: A California mill worker named George Anderson had his jaw shattered when a shard from a spiked tree, splintered by his band saw, ricocheted into his face. In response to the incident, Dave Foreman said: “It’s unfortunate this worker was injured and I wish him the best. But the real destruction and injury is being perpetrated by Louisiana-Pacific and the Forest Service in liquidating old-growth forests.” In 1988, EF member Mitch Friedman stated that “tree-spiking is not terrorism; it is a justifiably extreme and noble deed.” The real terrorism, Friedman said, was being committed by the logging industry. Reasoning from that premise, EF routinely advocated violence against members of the logging industry. As an article in the September 1989 edition of the Earth First! Journal stated: “The blood of timber executives is my natural drink, and the wail of dying forest supervisors is music to my ears.”

Another strategy that EF pioneered in order to impede logging was “tree-sitting,” whereby volunteers would camp out on the branches of trees slated for cutting—sometimes for several days—while fellow Earth Firsters on the ground brought supplies and carried away garbage. EF activist Julia "Butterfly" Hill holds the record for the longest tree-sit to date; between 1997 and 1999, she spent 738 days in the crown of a 180-foot-tall California Redwood in order to save it from the saws of the Pacific Lumber company.



EF justifies its illegal activities, particularly those that involve property destruction, by explaining that violence against inanimate objects (such as logging company equipment) is not nearly as egregious as violence against living beings. Says EF:

“Monkeywrenching is a step beyond civil disobedience. It is nonviolent, aimed only at inanimate objects, and at the pocketbooks of the industrial despoilers. It is the final step in the defense of the wild, the deliberate action taken by the Earth defender when all other measures have failed, the process whereby the wilderness defender becomes the wilderness acting in self-defense.”

Hundreds of Earth Firsters have been incarcerated for their crimes.

 In a 1990 memorandum, Earth First activist Judi Bari, reacting to a spate of bad publicity which EF had garnered for its acts of sabotage, stated that “tree-spiking must be renounced … [because] the alienation [it causes], not to mention the danger, be it real or imagined, [is] harming our efforts to save this planet.” Soon thereafter, EF announced that it would thenceforth eschew potentially dangerous practices. Nonetheless, EF continued to sell Ecodefense and to embrace the militant anthem, “Spike a Tree for Jesus.”

The debate which Bari touched off within the radical environmental community prompted a fissure within EF—causing some members to break away and form an even more militant splinter group, the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). The Earth First! Journal regularly publishes articles by ELF criminals, and shares an ideological kinship with the Animal Liberation Front as well.

 In 1991 Dave Foreman pled guilty to conspiring to blow up electrical lines leading to an Arizona nuclear power plant. That same year, Foreman published his book Confessions of an Eco-Warrior, wherein he happily reported that "ecotage in the National Forests alone in the United States is costing industry and government $20-25 million annually."

Earth First: http://www.earthfirst.org/about.htm
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #392 on: January 19, 2014, 07:15:56 AM »
One of my favorite shirts I bought at Clarks in Colville,   Earth first, we'll log the rest of the planets later, showed the space shuttle with a choker.    :chuckle:

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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #393 on: January 19, 2014, 07:24:21 AM »
One of my favorite shirts I bought at Clarks in Colville,   Earth first, we'll log the rest of the planets later, showed the space shuttle with a choker.    :chuckle:

Off topic sorry.

 :chuckle:  This topic has been taken so many directions, I don't think it matters.
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #394 on: January 19, 2014, 08:02:00 AM »
..and in a strange turn of events we have now learned that the "bowhunter chased up a tree by wolves in GMU 121" was actually a monkeywrenching Earth First tree sitter, masquerading as a hunter to do double duty with his stunt.
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #395 on: January 19, 2014, 08:11:50 AM »
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #396 on: January 19, 2014, 10:36:16 AM »

Jay seems like a nice guy I have spoken with him at length, however, he works for a preservationist environmental organization that openly works to halt many forms of hunting, ranching, and much human use of our wild lands. Jay's boss Mitch Friedman at Conservation Northwest was an active member of "Earth First" an extreme environmentalist group that was involved in numerous types of environmental terrorism. I don't know what types of acts Friedman was involved with but he openly admits to tree sitting and to being very active in Earth first. While Jay is employed and being given direction by a known environmentalist group like Conservation Northwest he should not be allowed to sit on the commission, it is a clear conflict of interest.

So I'm curious, would you have a philosophical problem with a hunting guide being on the commission? Or say a Weyerhauser employee? Or a land developer  or maybe an employee in the resource development industries?

Personally, I'd like to see a good mix of points of view on such a board. Then you get input from many different angles, not just one narrow focus. One member having a conservationist point of view isn't a bad thing. Now if every member was a strict conservationist, I'd agree with you, but I have no problem with one member who may point out things other sides haven't considered. It still takes a majority to get things done.

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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #397 on: January 19, 2014, 10:46:36 AM »
Did he vote in favor  or promote  the "wolf plan"? 
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #398 on: January 19, 2014, 10:52:30 AM »
He works for conservation northwest,  how can he be objective?

What political based employer is going to hire someone that opposes everything they stand for?


Nope, he's lock step for conservation northwest and should never be allowed to sit at any table where government is involved. 

The only thing conservation northwest does that I'm "for" is funding range riders either partially or fully I'm not sure their share.  When I retire maybe I'll work for conservation northwest too, as a range rider.  Wouldn't that be funny  :chuckle:

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What we are doing

Conservation Northwest is the premiere group working on recovery of Washington's wolves. We have:

Gained $1 million for wolf-livestock conflict prevention in Washington State
Sale of special license plates to fund conflict prevention and tools starts in October 2013
Current funding of three range riders in Washington, following the successful first range rider in 2012
In 2013, continue to serve on a working group advising WDFW on implementing the state’s wolf plan
Helped shape the 2011 wolf plan, serving on a governor-appointed Wolf Working Group and organizing citizens to speak up for science-based recovery
Defeated state legislation harmful to wolves
Together we can recover wolves in the Northwest, protect and connect habitat, and secure a future for this important wild predator. We are:

Actively monitoring wolf packs around the state
Hosting educational forums for ranchers and landowners, and presentations on learning to live with wolves
Helping stop poaching, by posting reward flyers and contributing to a reward fund to deter poachers
More on wolves

Canis lupus, the gray wolf, is the largest of the canines, 2 to 3 times the size of a coyote.
Wolves once lived around the state, including the Olympic Peninsula, where their loss has led to big changes in the courses of rivers, vegetation, and other wildlife.
Wolves have excellent hearing and a keen sense of smell. They hunt and socialize in family groups known as packs.
Washington has a known population of about 50-100 wolves, distributed now in 10 confirmed packs around the state.
Some of the wolves documented in the Cascades have had their DNA traced to wolves in coastal British Columbia. They have also been documented eating salmon!
Sprawl and development spells loss of habitat for wolves and their prey; but overall, the greatest threat to wolves is people's fear and misunderstanding about them.
More than 75% of Washington residents queried in a 2008 wildlife poll supported recovery of Washington's wolves
As a top carnivore, the gray wolves, along with other predators such as the bears and cougars, control prey populations so that a landscape may support a healthy ecosystem.
Wolves play a vital role in maintaining the health of big game by culling sick animals and promoting stable ungulate populations. Biologists tell us that herds of big game - from elk to deer - are healthier with wolves in the habitat than without.
Wolves, which returned on their own to Washington, are also coming back to Oregon and, so far, a single wolf to California.
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Sorry, but I just can't see an employer like conservation northwest hiring and keeping a person in the pay rolls unless they are doing exactly what the employer requires
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #399 on: January 19, 2014, 11:00:58 AM »
JEEEEEEESUS Guys...   Looks like WE have the 2 Jays (like Kehne is one of us :chuckle:) and the rest are all wet! We Need that vacant position on OUR side!   When did Gary D of KF retire?
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Jay Kehne, Omak
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #400 on: January 19, 2014, 11:09:59 AM »
JEEEEEEESUS Guys...   Looks like WE have the 2 Jays (like Kehne is one of us :chuckle:) and the rest are all wet! We Need that vacant position on OUR side!   When did Gary D of KF retire?
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Larry Carpenter, Mount Vernon
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Occupation: Business owner, Master Marine Services, Inc.
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Jay Holzmiller, Anatone
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 Occupation: Public Works
 Current Term: 06/10/2013 - 12/31/2018


Jay Kehne, Omak
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 Occupation: Conservationist
 Term: 04/16/2013 - 12/31/2018


Robert "Bob" Kehoe, Seattle
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 Occupation: Executive Director, Purse Seine Vessel Owners' Assoc.
 Term: 07/08/2013 - 12/31/2014


 Conrad Mahnken, Ph.D., Bainbridge Island
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 Current Term: 01/01/2011 - 12/31/2016


 Rolland Schmitten, Lake Wenatchee
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 Current Term: 06/18/2009 - 12/31/2014


Vacant
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He didn't retire, the governor wouldn't reappoint him when his term expired.
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #401 on: January 19, 2014, 11:17:04 AM »
Now just why does that NOT surprise me? Gagwar or the current idiot?
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #402 on: January 19, 2014, 11:22:35 AM »
Didn't tow the party line?  Shame he's gone.
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #403 on: January 19, 2014, 01:24:25 PM »
Gregoire appointed him, but Inslee would not reappoint him. I'm sure Conservation Northwest wanted him out, as well as the commercial fishers and probably some of the tribes. The governor still hasn't replaced him, but you can nearly bet it will likely be with someone that these special interests don't object to.

Douvia really worked hard to improve things for recreational fishers and hunters.  :twocents:
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Re: Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!
« Reply #404 on: January 19, 2014, 07:46:07 PM »
I think what was said above applies, you don't know what you would do when faced by a wolf coming at you, until it happens to you. I am not proud of what I did when it happened to me. I was unarmed and I was willing to sacrifice my dog because I didn't think I could save him before the wolf got to us.
  I did  report to the wildlife commission in October what happened to me. Here is the gist of what I said:

What should you do if you are out in the woods with your dog, and a wolf comes at you? And don't say it won't happen, because it would, and it does, and it did happen to me. I estimate that from the time I figured out what was coming at me till the time it would reach me, I had about 15 seconds. So what should you do in those 15 seconds when you have a wolf coming at you?
  Well first you better get on the phone and call state Fish and Wildlife, because the protected status of the wolf changes depending on where you are. And while you have them on the phone, you better be prepared to corroborate what non-lethal methods to defend yourself you have used. And then you need to call the feds and do it all over again.
   Remember, you've got about 15 seconds. And that's if you're lucky like me, and you happen to be facing the wolf when it attacks. Because these animals attack silently. There is no sound, there is no warning, and if I hadn't happened to be facing the wolf when it came at me, I might not be here talking to you today.
  Well by the time you get done talking to the feds, I imagine the wolf will be upon you, and you better get out your camera so you can take pictures of the wolf as it attacks so you can prove that it intended bodily harm, or else you will be charged with harming an endangered species.
  Nobody warned me that these animals were being encouraged to propagate and repopulate the area. And certainly nobody asked me if I wanted these animals in my backyard, threatening me, my children, my animals and my livelihood. I think the least the government could do is make it legal for me to defend myself from these predatory carnivores.

You don't know what you will do until you find yourself in the situation. I will not criticize anyone for whatever they do to defend themselves from this beast that is being forced upon us.

 


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