SB 6287 Cougar Control Pilot Program (Hound Hunting)

[bearpaw]

Guiding put this program in a bad light

Care to explain?

I helped several Washington residents fill cougar tags. My fee was about half what I charge in Idaho. Anti-hunting groups like Conservation Northwest used guides as a reason to oppose the original program when it came up for renewal in the House Natural Resources committee. Representative Hans Dunshee was the primary opposition and he used my business as an example.

Like I said, add language prohibiting payments to guides if needed to pass the bill, that eliminates guiding and that eliminates Dunshee's argument, but don't eliminate the possibility for the average hunter to apply because that also eliminates a lot of support for the bill. We need support from all hunters to help get this passed.

I think any hunter should have an opportunity to apply to hunt with hounds if it's legal for any other hunter to apply to hunt with hounds. What's important is to get the bill passed, adding language eliminating payment for guiding services eliminates the guiding argument.

[MooseZ25]

Just because you own a hound dog does not mean you can catch a cougar.  In the past my local vets wanted nothing to do with signing an affidavit stated I owned a dog capable of trailing baying treeing a cougar.  If you haven't owned and trained hounds before it would be a lot better experience going with a guide or someone who has trained hounds.  Like stated above this will not bring back hound hunting.  So if you want to train dogs you still will need to go to another state. I appreciate Dale's support on helping this bill to go through.   

[threedwizard]

 

Well put, there's plenty of guys down here with dogs I won't hire to chase cats. Thank you Dale for your input too.

[jackmaster]

Guiding put this program in a bad light

Care to explain?

I helped several Washington residents fill cougar tags. My fee was about half what I charge in Idaho. Anti-hunting groups like Conservation Northwest used guides as a reason to oppose the original program when it came up for renewal in the House Natural Resources committee. Representative Hans Dunshee was the primary opposition and he used my business as an example.

Like I said, add language prohibiting payments to guides if needed to pass the bill, that eliminates guiding and that eliminates Dunshee's argument, but don't eliminate the possibility for the average hunter to apply because that also eliminates a lot of support for the bill. We need support from all hunters to help get this passed.

I think any hunter should have an opportunity to apply to hunt with hounds if it's legal for any other hunter to apply to hunt with hounds. What's important is to get the bill passed, adding language eliminating payment for guiding services eliminates the guiding argument.

BEARPAW, they should put you in charge of this, your a guide and a regular joe, i really like your ideas 

[jackmaster]

maybe i missed them but who are the 3 no votes, just curious of your views 

[HighCountryHunter88]

Just because you own a hound dog does not mean you can catch a cougar.  In the past my local vets wanted nothing to do with signing an affidavit stated I owned a dog capable of trailing baying treeing a cougar.  If you haven't owned and trained hounds before it would be a lot better experience going with a guide or someone who has trained hounds.  Like stated above this will not bring back hound hunting.  So if you want to train dogs you still will need to go to another state. I appreciate Dale's support on helping this bill to go through.

im not sure if the first part of that was directed at me or not, but what im saying is one of the reasons for a general draw would be the state cannot 100% regulate who for sure has hounds capable of running lions.

[MooseZ25]

 HighCountryHunter88
It was not directed at you.  Just making a point that not all dogs are created equal.  I agree we do need to make sure that any permits given are in the hands of hunters that want to harvest a cougar.  I have heard that even anti hunters put in for these just so a hunter won't get a chance to harvest. 

[bearpaw]

I have heard that even anti hunters put in for these just so a hunter won't get a chance to harvest.

  that's what I've heard too...

[KFhunter]

KFhunter kennels is now offering fully trained Mt Lion and bear dogs!
We rent out trained dogs by the day or by the week. 
Don't mess around trying to keep and train your own dogs when our dogs are fully trained and ready to go. 
Each dog will have a GPS collar on that will indicate to you when a dog is bayed up,  simply follow your GPS to your tree'd cougar!



Hey what you think about my new business?     (it's a joke btw)

[jackmaster]

KFhunter kennels is now offering fully trained Mt Lion and bear dogs!
We rent out trained dogs by the day or by the week. 
Don't mess around trying to keep and train your own dogs when our dogs are fully trained and ready to go. 
Each dog will have a GPS collar on that will indicate to you when a dog is bayed up,  simply follow your GPS to your tree'd cougar!



Hey what you think about my new business?     (it's a joke btw)

good one, i sure hope this happens, i would love to hunt behind hounds again, i wouldnt go out and get dogs again, it took alot of time and money to get them trained up just right and broke of trash, and honestly it was so depressing when i my dad had to have buck put down when i left for the service, he just got to old, i dont want to ever go through that again, you guys that still have good cat dogs, my hats off to you, it aint easy and it aint cheap 

[huntnphool]

Guiding put this program in a bad light

Care to explain?

Like I said, add language prohibiting payments to guides if needed to pass the bill, that eliminates guiding and that eliminates Dunshee's argument, but don't eliminate the possibility for the average hunter to apply because that also eliminates a lot of support for the bill. We need support from all hunters to help get this passed.

I think any hunter should have an opportunity to apply to hunt with hounds if it's legal for any other hunter to apply to hunt with hounds. What's important is to get the bill passed, adding language eliminating payment for guiding services eliminates the guiding argument.

Agree 100%

[mulehunter]

   I vote Yes and I hope it passed.  I will share about my experience. A family's frined asked me if I could take a 12 years kid 2009 winter that his kid got drawn and it was a disaster.    I met him in Ferry county, slept in a guys garage and the his dad didn't have enough money to pay me anything so I did it for free.  I got on a lion on Sun. morning and the dogs were on the track when the guy had to leave because he had to get his kid back to his wife or lose custody in Yakima.  That left me with my dogs out chaseing the lion.  I had to track the dogs down and take them home from a tree it was BIG CAT which Charlie got it one week later.  I am happy that Charlie take this cat instead 12 years old boy.     I lives 6 hrs. from this location so I was done since the tag owner had left.  Then the next weekend I headed over to meet the guy again and when I got there the guy called and aborted his plan to come meet me because his kid (that had the tag) started bawling and didn't want to go.  I got stood up and spent several hundred dollars driving from Hobart to ferry county trying to help some guy out so I could at least run my dogs.  Not knowing the tag owners is a real problem and the hound owner can't continue to keep my dogs trained without some sort of pursuit season.

Also Bearpaw and I were talking about Cindy permit thur text/pm and I asked him...  Can I come up help and look for cut in Cindy's permit unit. He said come up so I did spend hundreds dollar and drive over night and spend whole morning snowmobile from midnight till right before afternoon and I found one most fresh cut out of 7 old cuts. I text Dale to tell Cindy and Brian and Anothny to come out so we all can dump hounds on cat.  I didnt get paid to go chase and I was very thankful to have my dogs to chase. After Cindy put Arrow in right before dark and she hug hug me said Thank you Thank you so much.... couldnt done with out me right before season closed.    it wasnt easy for me to put all my effort to go and help. I got email from Cindy and she would do my bear rug from Idaho that I shot with hounds for cheaper than any one. So I got great deal with her. I am grateful.

In 2010 huntphool and I have been texting while I help Mark my father in law on his permit and he have always always wanted a Cat and I took him and I spend first day open season on his permit and he shot down first thing in morning,    then with bad weather and no snow I search and search for mature Cat and Boneaddict helped me find but end up having fun with small cats on tree then one of day I ran in to Canyon with full of biologlist.  Biologlist end up tell me to go somewhere else and not chase this cat that they found. But this Cat need to be killed that day which I had permit to do since I been waiting for 6 years to get permit in Wa.  Biologlist should not bother any of permittee.  Biologlist should respect anyone with permit with hounds who willing to work for WDFW to remove the Cat to reduce problem area.  Later I kept working on find mature Cat but Bio had #160 lbs Cat collared with five other Biologlist next day and GD called family that I stayed over night told me I should have chase it but I dont want fight with Bio that tell me to go somewhere which should not happen to anybody then few days later harvest quota met already done so I text to see if Huntphool on his permit up NE is open and  harvest qoute already met Dang...  so I end up chase for fun myself in my area. 

Its not easy for any houndmen but whatever it works for most is all matter. I have almost maybe more than 40 frineds texting asking me if they can put their name in and I was like whatever. I dont mind sometime depend on who is truth frineds, Its like bring my kids or family out there.  I love being houndman and I do truely miss it. After WA got Banned in March 2011, I send Elmo to Outtfitter in Idaho to keep my dog busy and Elmo end up being killed by last bear.    I also send Blackberry hound out to MT to keep her busy with lions and she is doing very good. I am going to get my dogs back once Bill get passed...    IT BETTER BE!!!   

[BOWHUNTER45]

I wish we could at least get a couple month pursuit season, I hope this passes, it will be fun!

Yeah I wish so too ...but most likely will never happen .. I would be all in for just going to take pictures    Yep I would be happy just to be able to go and run some dogs ...I am moving and could now support a pack 

[idaho guy]

Could out of state hound hunters apply for the permits when they had them last time? Just wondering were in Idaho but have been hunting with my son there since he is not old enough to hunt big game here. Probably be a lot of fun over there with the dogs since they have been protecting all those lions! 

[bearpaw]

Could out of state hound hunters apply for the permits when they had them last time? Just wondering were in Idaho but have been hunting with my son there since he is not old enough to hunt big game here. Probably be a lot of fun over there with the dogs since they have been protecting all those lions!

If I remember correctly it was residents only.