Hoof Rot Town hall in Cowlitz Co.

[BrushChimp]

Just this morning I saw a truck spraying herbicides along the highway in Oregon; just over the bridge from Longview. It sure seems strange those elk right across the river have never shown a sign of hoof rot while we've been dealing with it here in SW Washington for around 20 years now. Same climate, same timberland owners, same chemicals, same amounts. And this has been happening for decades.

I might be able to go along with what JLS was saying about it pushing the elk closer to livestock. Might. I am not personally a fan of pesticides, but do use them around my house. I spray more pesticides per acre at my house in ONE YEAR (within labeled rates) than a timber company will spray in 40. And when you really look at the numbers the amount of pesticides applied on timberland is miniscule compared to nearly ANY food crop grown. And if I'm not mistaken farmers have a bit less restrictions when it comes to application and the environment.

P.S. Maximum clear cut sizes in WA state are 240 acres and have other specifications just to get them that big.

[HntnFsh]

bbarnes,
  I met you after the Longview meeting. My brother in law and I and a couple other guys helped you pack your bulletin board out and put it in your trailer. I told you then, and I'll tell you again now that I really appreciate what your doing. I know its a daunting task.
  But, I have to ask. Have you read this whole thread? You are asking people if they have researched the info that you have suggested. But you have barely commented on or acknowledged any of the 90 or so posts made by the members on here. I just dont understand why you havent had any more input on what has been said on here. And Ive seen the same pattern on other threads.

 The couple posts you have made, you have told people to research this, or research that. Why dont you just provide us that info? Or at least links to it. You obviously have that and a lot more. How about helping us help you! Speaking for myself. I am not tech savvy. It takes forever for me to even write a short comment like this. Let alone try to figure out how to do what you are asking. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way. Not trying to be a jerk. But man. There has been a lot of input on here. I know you have to be a very busy man. But is it not worth your time to offer input? It just makes me feel like you arent too interested in what we have to say. Please, help us help you. And the ELK!

This whole deal has me just a bit frustrated. What I just said has been eating at me. Couple that with a comment I heard from another Huntwa member after the Longview meeting and I finally had to speak my piece! If my comments are out of line, any of you are free to let me know and I will delete them.

HntnFsh

[Curly]

Another possibility I've been wondering about is all feral horses down there.  Are they limping around?  If it is possible it is a bacteria spread from livestock,  then it would seem that those feral horses could have been the source and spread the bacteria to the soil and the elk.  Just trying to throw ideas out there. ......

[HntnFsh]

Another possibility I've been wondering about is all feral horses down there.  Are they limping around?  If it is possible it is a bacteria spread from livestock,  then it would seem that those feral horses could have been the source and spread the bacteria to the soil and the elk.  Just trying to throw ideas out there. ......

I havent been around those horses in 4 or 5 years. But didnt see a problem with them. Plus the largest problem areas arent in direct contact with them.

[bbarnes]

Here is one being sprayed to look up its called VALPAR RF.Google it and go to the labeling the the grading section and read what it says.

[bobcat]

Try Velpar DF


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[Elkpiss]

I think the whole hoof rot  started in the boisfort area and has spread from there. That's just  just where I seen it the worst about 10 years ago.  Now it's out of control in the st Helens heard.  Common theme of all areas it's most effected Is it boarders or is weyco land.  Brushchimp has ur timber company ever tested the effects of the chemicals on elk? I love ya buddy but I think your wrong..  I think it just effects the elk the worst as weird as that sounds.. or we would see deer and other livestock with it..   this subject just fires me up. . 15 years wdfw has known and nothing. .

[kentrek]

We had it in the stella in the late 90's...ive talked with an old timer and he said hes seen elk in the 70's&80's with hoof issues but very few an far between...im thinking that in general the elk species has a certain disease but for what ev reason after the epa showed up the elk got a lot more susceptible to it....maybe the charms weakens the elk natural defenses from the disease and thus here we are today

It also could have started in a few areas....esp if my theory is somewhat on track


Idk im far from a bio expert

Fish and game should fire themselves

[bowbuild]

Here is one being sprayed to look up its called VALPAR RF.Google it and go to the labeling the the grading section and read what it says.

Man some nasty stuff, not going to argue that....But, if you want the herbicide issue addressed it will have to be addressed by both the game department and the department of AG, they will then address the EPA.

Problem is that the game department is either intentionally dragging their feet on testing (can't see why they would do this) And the department of AG is not in the business of testing animals....especially wild animals with only a suspicion.

Weyehauser, and other forest owners are using the MOST EFFECTIVE legal means of improving their tree farms with the rules as they are today, you can't blame them for that. Would you change your forestry practices based on suspicion....especially when the EPA put their stamp of approval on the products in question?? I think most would not, but would be open to a dialogue on the subject if other state agencies were suspicious of these chemicals posing generalized risks to so many species, not just elk.

Again all these chemicals good, or bad are controlled under the EPA, AND STATE, not timber companies, they are just consumers.

Bowbuild

[bbarnes]

two more herbicides to google WESTAR and OPEN SIGHT these are being mixed together with VELPAR DF.

[BrushChimp]

Let's get things straight. First, stop using chemical trade names and start using actual names because you're going to confuse people. Second, Velpar DF is already in Westar. They are not "mixed together." Also, OpenSight will not be used in conjunction with Westar or Velpar DF. Westar & Velpar are applied in the spring while OpenSight would be applied in the fall. And it is very, very unlikely they would be used in the same 12-18 month time period.

Carry on...

[t6]

Maybe we could get the timber companies and DNR to quit using trade names when filing permits to spray the stuff.  Tell us what chemical components are in the stuff. 

The claim and practice of referring to them only by trade names and not the ingredients saying its proprietary trade secret needs to stop. 

T

[bbarnes]

How about this one that's banned by the UN and being sprayed by timber company's here ATRAZINE.Look this one up it gets in ground water and effects the immune system.They talk a lot about this one in the Alberta study.

[bobcat]

Atrazine- that's the one I just saw written on a warning notice today on Weyerhaeuser land in the Minot Peak unit.


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[bbarnes]

Attention sportsman and shed hunters if you come across any warning signs please post them up.I will make a separate post for those.