The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”

[pianoman9701]

I'm surprised we haven't seen more pictures of all of your dead cattle.....

I was replying to your simple concept, but here's an example of raising cows where the USFWS and WDFS wolves end up. And of course there hasn't yet been a confirmed wolf kill in the Methow Valley.

Your cattle don't count, WB. You're a wolf hater. As such, those are now acceptable losses. We must support the "endangered" wolf! 

[AspenBud]

I'm surprised we haven't seen more pictures of all of your dead cattle.....

I was replying to your simple concept, but here's an example of raising cows where the USFWS and WDFS wolves end up. And of course there hasn't yet been a confirmed wolf kill in the Methow Valley.

Your cattle don't count, WB. You're a wolf hater. As such, those are now acceptable losses. We must support the "endangered" wolf! 

He cares so much about hunting that if a game animal would cause him to have to change his cattle grazing practices he'd wish it dead. He cares so much about hunting that he hates it when easements are created to benefit hunters. He cares about hunting so much he thinks habitat, improved or God forbid more of it, is evil.

He's a shill, and one whose concern is not that of hunters. But trying to scare everyone does help his cause.

[wolfbait]

I'm surprised we haven't seen more pictures of all of your dead cattle.....

I was replying to your simple concept, but here's an example of raising cows where the USFWS and WDFS wolves end up. And of course there hasn't yet been a confirmed wolf kill in the Methow Valley.

Your cattle don't count, WB. You're a wolf hater. As such, those are now acceptable losses. We must support the "endangered" wolf! 

The new wolf specialist out of Okanogan told Scott Fitkin there would be NO more lying about confirming wolf predation/attacks, as we have seen Fitkin still thinks his opinion means something, and as we also saw, it really doesn't. Hopefully WA will finally get some honesty out of WDF&Wolves.

[wolfbait]

I'm surprised we haven't seen more pictures of all of your dead cattle.....

I was replying to your simple concept, but here's an example of raising cows where the USFWS and WDFS wolves end up. And of course there hasn't yet been a confirmed wolf kill in the Methow Valley.

Your cattle don't count, WB. You're a wolf hater. As such, those are now acceptable losses. We must support the "endangered" wolf! 

He cares so much about hunting that if a game animal would cause him to have to change his cattle grazing practices he'd wish it dead. He cares so much about hunting that he hates it when easements are created to benefit hunters. He cares about hunting so much he thinks habitat, improved or God forbid more of it, is evil.

He's a shill, and one whose concern is not that of hunters. But trying to scare everyone does help his cause.

So now I'm a cattle rancher also? How many people on W-H are frighten right now? I guess hunters are the ONLY people who can comment about what wolves have/and are doing? The rest of you who are not hunters have no say in the matter. It just wouldn't be fair, you might scare other people.

[idahohuntr]

So now I'm a cattle rancher also? How many people on W-H are frighten right now? I guess hunters are the ONLY people who can comment about what wolves have/and are doing? The rest of you who are not hunters have no say in the matter. It just wouldn't be fair, you might scare other people.

So you are not a hunter.  There have been many other "witch hunts" on this forum about getting rid of people who were suspected of not being "true" hunters...so why has wolfbait not been banned?  He comes on here and advocates policies that are detrimental to hunters and wildlife conservation...probably more harmful than a greenie spewing anti-hunting rhetoric...ban him!!  Send him to the cattlemens forum to spread his tinfoil hat garbage. Wishful thinking I know. 

[pianoman9701]

So now I'm a cattle rancher also? How many people on W-H are frighten right now? I guess hunters are the ONLY people who can comment about what wolves have/and are doing? The rest of you who are not hunters have no say in the matter. It just wouldn't be fair, you might scare other people.

So you are not a hunter.  There have been many other "witch hunts" on this forum about getting rid of people who were suspected of not being "true" hunters...so why has wolfbait not been banned?  He comes on here and advocates policies that are detrimental to hunters and wildlife conservation...probably more harmful than a greenie spewing anti-hunting rhetoric...ban him!!  Send him to the cattlemens forum to spread his tinfoil hat garbage. Wishful thinking I know. 

People are seldom banned on this site and when they are, it's because they've been repeatedly warned not to disrupt threads or for threatening physical violence. Just being a non-hunter doesn't do it. Being a non-hunter and opposing hunting or disrupting hunting threads time after time will do it. He's done none of those things.

[wolfbait]

So now I'm a cattle rancher also? How many people on W-H are frighten right now? I guess hunters are the ONLY people who can comment about what wolves have/and are doing? The rest of you who are not hunters have no say in the matter. It just wouldn't be fair, you might scare other people.

So you are not a hunter.  There have been many other "witch hunts" on this forum about getting rid of people who were suspected of not being "true" hunters...so why has wolfbait not been banned?  He comes on here and advocates policies that are detrimental to hunters and wildlife conservation...probably more harmful than a greenie spewing anti-hunting rhetoric...ban him!!  Send him to the cattlemens forum to spread his tinfoil hat garbage. Wishful thinking I know. 

"So you are not a hunter"  Where ever did you get that idea? Next week I am going rattlesnake hunting, maybe do a bit of groundhog hunting on the way. And of course we are always hunting wolves with our cameras.

I guess it's a good thing you don't own this site, it would be filled with agenda driven pro-wolf people, you would ban everyone who didn't agree with you and your agenda friends.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Hahahaha! Snake and groundhog hunting huh...do you hunt big game??  That's what you're always griping about the wolves decimating.
 Save that snake oil.... Might be able to sell it more easily than the wolf stuff. 

[wolfbait]

Hahahaha! Snake and groundhog hunting huh...do you hunt big game??  That's what you're always griping about the wolves decimating.
 Save that snake oil.... Might be able to sell it more easily than the wolf stuff.

Well I haven't gone elephant hunting yet, but I would really like to some day, I hear they taste a lot like chicken.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Tough time giving us a straight answer. 

[wolfbait]

Tough time giving us a straight answer.

Just having fun with you Wacoyote,  Maybe some day I will post some pictures of a few of the muley bucks I have taken, but it won't be because I am defending myself for anything you or your friends have to say.

[pianoman9701]

Tough time giving us a straight answer.

The topic has strayed from any useful debate to nothing but personal bs. It's kind of hard to respond to that. Were we still talking about the ESA, that'd be one thing. But, we haven't been for a while. You guys have fun with your inquisition of the cattleman. He stands with most of us hunters on this issue. I also don't believe he's a non-hunter.

[wolfbait]

Why is the USFWS, WDFW and the environmentalists buying up so much land? With less ungulates there is/will be more habitat then before wolves were illegally introduced into the lower 48. WDFW doesn't take care of the land they now own.

[Curly]

So, anybody know whatever happened to the Marbled Murrelet?  Seems like that was the favorite ESA species right after the spotted owl killed most logging on the Oly Pen.  But I haven't heard much about that specie lately?

As I said earlier, the current favorite ESA animal of the hippie crowd in Thurston Co is the pocket gopher (basically a damned mole).

I seem to remember a butterfly being an issue a while back. 

And down in Oregon and CA it was some sucker fish that was on the ESA list and it caused a bunch of farms to go broke because they couldn't irrigate because of the sucker fish. 

Anybody have a list of ESA species that the enviro wackos are using to further their agendas? 

[WAcoyotehunter]

there is a list of threatened and endangered species online.if hunters, as a group, do not agree with the lists all we have to do is prove that they do not warrant protection.
sportsman could use the same avenues as environmentalist groups to help our cause