The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”

[idahohuntr]

"WDFW has never transplanted wolves."

Call me a skeptic, but after living and working in the Methow for 30+ years and knowing some of the "goings on" I would disagree with the above quote.

I'll say this,  Its nice to know "people" who work and live in the "outdoors" NOT just on a 9 to 5 , Monday thru Friday routine!!  and have eye's and ear's    

You have got to be a special kind of stupid to think wdfw planted wolves.  Why doesn't somebody provide one shred of credible evidence to support this?  Oh thats right...none exists.   

[wolfbait]

"WDFW has never transplanted wolves."

Call me a skeptic, but after living and working in the Methow for 30+ years and knowing some of the "goings on" I would disagree with the above quote.

I'll say this,  Its nice to know "people" who work and live in the "outdoors" NOT just on a 9 to 5 , Monday thru Friday routine!!  and have eye's and ear's    

I tend to kind of agree with the "call me a skeptic" part of this post.We have known alot of good fish and game guys thru the years and most were good game guys and good stewards of our fish and game and a few were not(INMHO).Most are retired now and there are some good ones still doing as best job they can.The "skeptical" part for me comes from one simple event that hapened in 1972 or 73?...My dad and i were over at Roses lake on a very cold december wkend doing some ice fishing when we decided to take a drive and look for deer,we drove as far up the swakane as we could in a 72 ford bronco and when we decided to go no farther,ahead of us about 2 to 3 city blocks we seen 3 vehicles parked with one of them being a box truck,while we were stopped my dad put the binos on the congregation of rigs just as about 7 or 8 bighorns spilled and scattered out of the box truck.We were noticed by the group of biologists and game guys and they were on us pretty quickly.In a nutshell we were basically told "we didnt see anything".So i guess thats where some of my skeptisism comes from when the questions arise of how the wolf got here.Maybe planted? maybe migrated? or possibly a little of both .All i know is they are here and there needs to be a plan thats fair and balanced for all concerned

In 2009 a UPS driver watched a wolf release in the Methow Valley by the USFWS-WDFW, he said a USFWS agent came up to him and shook his finger at him and told him you didn't see what you thought you saw. The UPS driver said BS. A week later this driver was transferred to a new route.

Just like the rest of the fraud in the wolf introduction that has surfaced, the releases by the USFWS and state game agencies will also at some point become public knowledge, and like the rest of the fraud no one will ever be held accountable. Ed Bangs planted wolves in parts of Idaho they weren't suppose to be, when he was caught he said they had to plant them there. I wonder if WDFW will offer up the same excuse when their releases become public knowledge.

Sounds kind of like WDFW and the environmentalists are buying up land for connective corridors, makes sense. Looking at their "ESA" wild lands plan, they don't say anything about hunting thirty years down the road.

[WAcoyotehunter]

So the way you figure it, the WDFW is trying to stop hunting? Considering that is their primary revenue source, what would be their motivation? 

I don't believe the state, or the feds are organized enough to pull off an introduction without everyone knowing.
 Furthermore, I believe if they had introduced they would have Been pounding their chest about it because more people are in favor of wolves than oppose them.

[Knocker of rocks]

In 2009 a UPS driver watched a wolf release in the Methow Valley by the USFWS-WDFW, he said a USFWS agent came up to him and shook his finger at him and told him you didn't see what you thought you saw. The UPS driver said BS. A week later this driver was transferred to a new route.

 

[idahohuntr]

In 2009 a UPS driver watched a wolf release in the Methow Valley by the USFWS-WDFW, he said a USFWS agent came up to him and shook his finger at him and told him you didn't see what you thought you saw. The UPS driver said BS. A week later this driver was transferred to a new route.

 

So now UPS and WDFW are in cahoots on wolf transplants eh?     Just when I thought we had hit rock bottom it gets better.  Gosh, I just saw a fed ex truck by my house last night...I wonder if he was delivering a pack of wolves for wdfw??   

[AspenBud]

In 2009 a UPS driver watched a wolf release in the Methow Valley by the USFWS-WDFW, he said a USFWS agent came up to him and shook his finger at him and told him you didn't see what you thought you saw. The UPS driver said BS. A week later this driver was transferred to a new route.

But wait, wolves are supposed to be breeding at an out of control rate and the states not even know how many of them are running around out there, hunting can't hold them back, and every animal in nature, and I mean every animal, is getting eaten up....now you're telling me they needed to release them when they were plainly in Idaho already and breeding like bunnies?   

Are you on meds?

[Curly]

I've always assumed the wolves I saw in 1992 came down from Canada.  What are the chances they were transplants?

[timberfaller]

"Why doesn't somebody provide one shred of credible evidence to support this? "

I could supply the fellas name, but he wants to retire first and there is no "Whistle blowers" protection to TRUST!!

Get over it!

Who drives dark green state pickups and wears uniforms???

[wolfbait]

I've always assumed the wolves I saw in 1992 came down from Canada.  What are the chances they were transplants?

In the early 1990's I was cruising timber for the USFS, we started seeing wolves and they said it was a hush deal as the wolves were planted. I think they told Bone the same thing.

[wolfbait]

"Why doesn't somebody provide one shred of credible evidence to support this? "

I could supply the fellas name, but he wants to retire first and there is no "Whistle blowers" protection to TRUST!!

Get over it!

Who drives dark green state pickups and wears uniforms???

I agree, thats why I have no doubt that the USFWS and WDFW's wolf releases will become public at some point in the future.  I talk to a county Commissioner a few years ago and told him of wolf releases I knew about in the Methow and he told me about some he knew of, he also said without photos or video it would be a very hard deal in court. There have been several sightings of wolves being released by WDFW in WA in the last ten years, and of course WDFW laugh it off, and others try to discredit everyone who brings it up. At this point I don't suppose it really matters anymore, what matters is getting control of an out of control wolf population before WA ends up in worse shape then the Yellowstone elk herds.

[wolfbait]

So the way you figure it, the WDFW is trying to stop hunting? Considering that is their primary revenue source, what would be their motivation? 

I don't believe the state, or the feds are organized enough to pull off an introduction without everyone knowing.
 Furthermore, I believe if they had introduced they would have Been pounding their chest about it because more people are in favor of wolves than oppose them.

WDFWD are protecting predators instead of controlling them, it seems that if they were worried about their "funding" they would be controlling predators. If you read back in this thread WC I think you will find where environmentalists and WDFW are pushing for federal spending to fund WDFW in the future, you know their "ESA" wild lands project, where they protect wolves over the USFWS.

"I don't believe the state, or the feds are organized enough to pull off an introduction without everyone knowing".


There are several who know what has happened WC, don't kid yourself.

 "I believe if they had introduced they would have Been pounding their chest"

That would kind of ruin their "migration" lie wouldn't? I'm not worried about the truth coming out in the future WC, just like the rest of the lies that have been told by agenda driven wolf promoters in the last 19 plus years, this to will be exposed. How could the USFWS say that a mating pair of wolves traveled hundreds of miles through the best elk etc. habitat to set up camp a few miles from Twisp, if everyone knew they were planted. How could they also claim the same for many other states where wolves mysteriously appear. The USFWS have to keep their migration lie going as long as they can.

[WAcoyotehunter]

 I'm not worried about the truth coming out in the future WC, just like the rest of the lies that have been told by agenda driven wolf promoters in the last 19 plus years, this to will be exposed. How could the USFWS say that a mating pair of wolves traveled hundreds of miles through the best elk etc. habitat to set up camp a few miles from Twisp, if everyone knew they were planted.

OK- I'm not going to argue about whether or not a reintroduction occurred.  So far, there I no evidence to that ever happening.  If some new evidence comes up, I will gladly eat my words.  I remember a BS post on here from your friend Rockholm that was a "release" photo.... what a joke this whole argument has become.

I'm going hunting.  Cheers.

[wolfbait]

Hunting for conservation dollars
http://www.hcn.org/issues/46.8/hunting-for-conservation-dollars?utm_source=wcn1&utm_medium=email

Wyoming's Game and Fish Department needs to get with WDFW, and find out where the funds come from.

[KFhunter]

I've already posted in here somewhere official statements from USFWS documenting wolf releases all over the United States.

[idahohuntr]

I've already posted in here somewhere official statements from USFWS documenting wolf releases all over the United States.

So USFWS acknowledges/publicizes wolf releases in other parts of the country, like Idaho and Wyoming, but they decided to keep it secret in the much more liberal state of Washington??  Even to you wolf nutjobs you have to see the fallacy in your logic.  But please, tell me more about the UPS driver and a guy in a green truck