hoyt faktor 34

[RadSav]

I thought it was worth it. Then again I'm a firm believer in "buy once, cry once". I haven't had one moment of regret for spending $1400 on the bare Carbon Spyder Turbo

But it's so dang ugly!!    You'd think for $1,400 it would come with some lipstick and a paper bag.

Don't listen to Rad, he just likes looks over performance   

And yet every bow I have has higher brace height, increased stability and greater speed ratings than Hoyt.  Hmmm, how can that be? 

You have to admit the Carbon Spyder does look like they did that run over with truck thing when a Carbon Element's epoxy was still wet.  If that bow had any other logo than a Hoyt or Mathews Archerytalk would be splitting at the seams with thread after thread about how Bear, Obsession, Elite, PSE, Bowtech, etc. would be going out of business for building a twisted wreck of trash carbon tubes.  Hoyt doubles the price, drops another million dollars in advertising and tells everyone it's cool...and all the following sheep say. "Ooooo!  The Emperor's robe is beautiful!"



This link is for those too young to know Hans Christian Andersen's cautionary tale.  Read "PLOT paragraph" 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes

[DRENALINJUNKIE]

It sounds like you have a problem with Hoyt? Its like you didn't get invited to a birthday party or something.

[xXLojackXx]

What are you shooting? Not out of argument, just curious of this holy grail bow you speak of.

[xXLojackXx]

It sounds like you have a problem with Hoyt? Its like you didn't get invited to a birthday party or something.

   if he tells himself enough times that Hoyt is all about advertising, he'll start believing it. After all, that's the only way they've survived over the last 35 years. 

[hughjorgan]

What are you shooting? Not out of argument, just curious of this holy grail bow you speak of.

I think he shoots a bow wreck...

[RadSav]

I have about a dozen bows I shoot regularly.  All different brands including Hoyt.  I usually rotate about half of those each year when new models come available.  All shoot great, all are fun.  I only have three bows that retail for more than $1,000.  A few are only about $500 MSRP.  Not a single one remains with a 6" brace height!!  My newest Hoyt is the second most expensive and second from the bottom in regards to speed.  Only bow I currently have that shoots slower is a five year old Bear!

I refuse to "Shoot" for anyone.  That allows me to evaluate performance and values better without clouded judgment.  There are a lot of very good things about Hoyt bows.  But just because it's got a status logo doesn't mean it gets evaluated any different than any other bow I test.  It is a rare occasion I ever say something bad about Hoyt bows other than they are too expensive for what you get and the Spyder is uglier than a car wreck (Which oddly enough resemble nearly the same shape ) I am a big fan of the newer Bowtech Experience.  But even it has reached the threshold where price for performance is out of balance with what others offer.  Though it produces Hoyt Turbo Speeds while maintaining a 7" brace height.

I do refuse to publicly shoot Hoyt due to my experience in how they treat their non-celebrity customers.  But that has nothing to do with the positive and/or negative things I would say about a bows performance.  Or any other brand of bow for that matter.  My wife does like Hoyt and I have no problem with getting her whatever she likes.  And I expect she is going to be shooting the ugly bow this season!  Though even she openly admits, "That's one damn ugly bow!"

[RadSav]

I think he shoots a bow wreck...

I did shoot a Bowtech Experience more than any of the others last year.  The reason for that is I went into the season shooting it better than all the rest that accepted two piece quivers.  I did take two spring turkeys with a Bear single cam and my WY antelope with a Martin Alien.

[xXLojackXx]

There are a lot of very good things about Hoyt bows.

I knew I'd get it out of you    now you're being logical

[hughjorgan]

I think he shoots a bow wreck...

I did shoot a Bowtech Experience more than any of the others last year.  The reason for that is I went into the season shooting it better than all the rest that accepted two piece quivers.  I did take two spring turkeys with a Bear single cam and my WY antelope with a Martin Alien.

Nothing wrong with that, used to shoot a bowtech my self, until I dealt with their customer service. Lots of great bow manufactures to choose from if you don't like one thing a company does just try another. It's all fun no matter what.

[RadSav]

There are a lot of very good things about Hoyt bows.

I knew I'd get it out of you    now you're being logical

Didn't I imply the same with Response #3, #11 and #12? 

Seems I can say all kinds of nice things about Hoyt bows and all anyone ever remembers is when I call one slow or ugly.  And when you compare them to most of the competition, especially the Carbon Spyder, slow and ugly is a logical conclusion.   

[RadSav]

Nothing wrong with that, used to shoot a bowtech my self, until I dealt with their customer service. Lots of great bow manufactures to choose from if you don't like one thing a company does just try another. It's all fun no matter what.

The past three years Bowtech service has treated me very well.  But, the Pro Shop is for general consumers.  Their warranty department is for Dealers only.  If an end consumer wants to try and go around their Dealer support system and talk directly with Warranty things can sometimes get a little heated.  As is the case with nearly all of the different bow manufacturers I have dealt with.  Follow the rules and procedures and things usually go smoothly, in my experience anyway.

[hughjorgan]

Nothing wrong with that, used to shoot a bowtech my self, until I dealt with their customer service. Lots of great bow manufactures to choose from if you don't like one thing a company does just try another. It's all fun no matter what.

The past three years Bowtech service has treated me very well.  But, the Pro Shop is for general consumers.  Their warranty department is for Dealers only.  If an end consumer wants to try and go around their Dealer support system and talk directly with Warranty things can sometimes get a little heated.  As is the case with nearly all of the different bow manufacturers I have dealt with.  Follow the rules and procedures and things usually go smoothly, in my experience anyway.

I took my bow to the dealer to take care of warranty work and the warranty department actually took it upon themselves to call me and they were rather rude. Over a 20 dollar part they chose to for go my business in the future, which is fine I suppose. Do that to enough people and your business will suffer.

[RadSav]

I took my bow to the dealer to take care of warranty work and the warranty department actually took it upon themselves to call me and they were rather rude. Over a 20 dollar part they chose to for go my business in the future, which is fine I suppose. Do that to enough people and your business will suffer.

Wow!  That's a funky situation.  Not sure I have ever heard of a bow manufacture calling the end consumer when a pro shop was taking care of business.  Did the dealer give your personal information or did they take it from warranty registration?  I'd definitely write a strongly worded message or letter - to my dealer and to Bowtech. 

Negative feedback is often the most important as a manufacturer.  I know around here suck up's go in one ear and out the other.  But we address complaints VERY seriously.  Especially when you figure for every complaint we hear about there are probably thirty we don't hear about.  Hard for a torpedo to find it's target if there is no sonar feedback to help it change course in the right direction.

[hughjorgan]

I took my bow to the dealer to take care of warranty work and the warranty department actually took it upon themselves to call me and they were rather rude. Over a 20 dollar part they chose to for go my business in the future, which is fine I suppose. Do that to enough people and your business will suffer.

Wow!  That's a funky situation.  Not sure I have ever heard of a bow manufacture calling the end consumer when a pro shop was taking care of business.  Did the dealer give your personal information or did they take it from warranty registration?  I'd definitely write a strongly worded message or letter - to my dealer and to Bowtech. 

Negative feedback is often the most important as a manufacturer.  I know around here suck up's go in one ear and out the other.  But we address complaints VERY seriously.  Especially when you figure for every complaint we hear about there are probably thirty we don't hear about.  Hard for a torpedo to find it's target if there is no sonar feedback to help it change course in the right direction.

This was four years ago, if I remember right the dealer gave them my number. The dealer is no longer in business. Definitely learned my lesson about buying a bow from a reputable dealer that will take care of their customers. In the end I was able to get the bow part warrantied thanks to Corey at XXX Archery and put back together by Larry at Sportsmens warehouse. Both guys are stand up individuals.

[wariner87]

Question: should I be mindful about where I purchase my new hoyt?