Police seek steelhead bandits who released 25,000 fish

[jackmaster]

say what you want but i hope this happens a few more times, i honestly think that scientists could fix the problem with whatever makes these hatchery steelys inferior to nates i also so think they should create a salmon that can spawn and then return to the ocean could you imagine a 200 lb king on the end of your line got off thread sorry...... i bet it was a woker at the hatchery that turned them loose congrats to whoever did it....

[snowpack]

ok whatever laffy-pants    and I'm sure you will find plenty more folks here to join in with your histaria

You clearly have no hope for the fishing future of Washington State and that's ok

The Puget Sound area grows in population by a little over 50,000 people a year.  About half for the entire state.  The entire state is about a million per decade.  As it is now, about one in every thousand people in the world is living in Washington.  I'm not really seeing Puget Sound as pulling off a miraculous recovery.

[whacker1]

ok whatever laffy-pants    and I'm sure you will find plenty more folks here to join in with your histaria

You clearly have no hope for the fishing future of Washington State and that's ok

The Puget Sound area grows in population by a little over 50,000 people a year.  About half for the entire state.  The entire state is about a million per decade.  As it is now, about one in every thousand people in the world is living in Washington.  I'm not really seeing Puget Sound as pulling off a miraculous recovery.

Well said.

[singleshot12]

I have never caught a steelhead guess I never will now

maybe your kids will

Hatchery fish were were never meant to be long term to begin with

[singleshot12]

The Puget Sound area grows in population by a little over 50,000 people a year.  About half for the entire state.  The entire state is about a million per decade.  As it is now, about one in every thousand people in the world is living in Washington.  I'm not really seeing Puget Sound as pulling off a miraculous recovery.

50,000 more peops a year in the Puget Sound does sound unreal. Are you saying the rapid growing populace will create too much pollution for any sort of recovery to happen?

[bigtex]

I wonder how many fish there would be if there were no nets....

[singleshot12]

That's just the thing! The nets should of been gone long before this. Netting will have to go before anything can move forward.

[whacker1]

The Puget Sound area grows in population by a little over 50,000 people a year.  About half for the entire state.  The entire state is about a million per decade.  As it is now, about one in every thousand people in the world is living in Washington.  I'm not really seeing Puget Sound as pulling off a miraculous recovery.

50,000 more peops a year in the Puget Sound does sound unreal. Are you saying the rapid growing populace will create too much pollution for any sort of recovery to happen?

Not quite 50k or more than 50k depending on the counties included.

Snohomish, pierce, king counties make up $395k people between the 2000 and 2010 census

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/pop/census2010/pl/maps/map01.asp

I wouldn't attribute to just pollution, but habitat infringement, access, resources, continued liberalization of the Puget sound driven by urban core population among others.  I think it will be highly unlikely to ever see steelhead fishing anytime a river is discontinued. 

We are arguing amongst ourselves over season lengths for Archery Elk, Modern, muzzleloader every year.  Mule deer seasons being too short.  seasons at the wrong time.  litigation ending access.  Opportunity is not increasing.  Please look at the bigger picture.  What does puget sound look like with regards to access to water alone when you add 1,000,000 more people to the puget sound over the next 2 decades as you indicated it would take to rebound?

[singleshot12]

I bet it was a worker at the hatchery that turned them loose congrats to whoever did it....

Whoever did.What good would it do? We won't be able to fish for them anyways... atleast if they were released into lakes some might make it to descent catchable size hold-overs

[singleshot12]

The Puget Sound area grows in population by a little over 50,000 people a year.  About half for the entire state.  The entire state is about a million per decade.  As it is now, about one in every thousand people in the world is living in Washington.  I'm not really seeing Puget Sound as pulling off a miraculous recovery.

50,000 more peops a year in the Puget Sound does sound unreal. Are you saying the rapid growing populace will create too much pollution for any sort of recovery to happen?

Not quite 50k or more than 50k depending on the counties included.

Snohomish, pierce, king counties make up $395k people between the 2000 and 2010 census

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/pop/census2010/pl/maps/map01.asp

I wouldn't attribute to just pollution, but habitat infringement, access, resources, continued liberalization of the Puget sound driven by urban core population among others.  I think it will be highly unlikely to ever see steelhead fishing anytime a river is discontinued. 

We are arguing amongst ourselves over season lengths for Archery Elk, Modern, muzzleloader every year.  Mule deer seasons being too short.  seasons at the wrong time.  litigation ending access.  Opportunity is not increasing.  Please look at the bigger picture.  What does puget sound look like with regards to access to water alone when you add 1,000,000 more people to the puget sound over the next 2 decades as you indicated it would take to rebound?

Yeah you're right maybe I'm just fooling myself it's over

[GEARHEAD]

Nets will remain in this state as long as democrat leaders keep accepting tribal bribes. as bad as the Bolt decision was, i would take it now. Bolt gave us half the fish in puget sound, these days i would guess it to be 20 percent. look at the cedar, year after year, 300, 000 returning fish is not enough to open for a hook and line fishery, yet every year despite this, the tribes are netting infront of the cedar river, with over a dozen boats,  but always in the dark, like after midnight. i guess doing this in the daylight might anger some people. not to mention all the netting they do at the locks.

[snowpack]

The Puget Sound area grows in population by a little over 50,000 people a year.  About half for the entire state.  The entire state is about a million per decade.  As it is now, about one in every thousand people in the world is living in Washington.  I'm not really seeing Puget Sound as pulling off a miraculous recovery.

50,000 more peops a year in the Puget Sound does sound unreal. Are you saying the rapid growing populace will create too much pollution for any sort of recovery to happen?

Not quite 50k or more than 50k depending on the counties included.

Snohomish, pierce, king counties make up $395k people between the 2000 and 2010 census

http://www.ofm.wa.gov/pop/census2010/pl/maps/map01.asp

I wouldn't attribute to just pollution, but habitat infringement, access, resources, continued liberalization of the Puget sound driven by urban core population among others.  I think it will be highly unlikely to ever see steelhead fishing anytime a river is discontinued. 

We are arguing amongst ourselves over season lengths for Archery Elk, Modern, muzzleloader every year.  Mule deer seasons being too short.  seasons at the wrong time.  litigation ending access.  Opportunity is not increasing.  Please look at the bigger picture.  What does puget sound look like with regards to access to water alone when you add 1,000,000 more people to the puget sound over the next 2 decades as you indicated it would take to rebound?

Yeah, I added in the area that is affected by the hatchery lawsuit and the Puget Sound steelhead--so it goes from the Dungeness River all the way to Nooksack. 
I agree not just pollution.  But more of everything--more people playing in rivers and creeks, more people wanting to eat local-'wild' fish with steelies being bycatch, more storm drainage, more recreational fisherman wanting herring for bait, etc.

[snowpack]

I wonder how many fish there would be if there were no nets....

Well, if most of what I've read is accurate....
No tribal nets on the local rivers, we might have double.
No commercial nets in Alaska and BC, we might get 18 times the number.
No commercial nets in Alaska and BC and no tribal nets on local rivers, might have 19 times the number.

[BOWHUNTER45]

LMAO with a head shake...IMO if I wanted to catch hatchery trout I'd rather do that in a stocked lake.

I guess some of you don't know or remember what it is like to catch and eat a wild steelhead. Worlds apart from any hatchery one

Just think folks,,the ability NOT to catch steelhead is what our fishing license are paying for      Dang I wish they would increase the fees some more 

Hunterman(Tony)

I'm trying to think optimistic and long term with this whole hatchery closure thing. We never should of had hatcheries in the first place. It may take a few years but the few remaining wild steelhead if left alone with the habitat restoration they are getting should come back.

LMAO

Laugh your ass off?? you don't think there are any wild fish left or that the habitat will never be restored? or the never should be hatcherys comment?

All the above.....

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O Boy ...I remember what a wild steelhead tastes like ...Nothing compares to it ...but the only ones that will be tasting it is out native brothers ..this whole Native thing is a bunch of BS ..I do not think we were made by our creator for one of us to have more rights than the other ...Whoever is making this crap up needs to be sent North Korea ....

[BOWHUNTER45]

I may just form an activist group this fall ...when the Indians start netting while the Native fish are coming we need to launch about 1000 boats into the Skagit and start fishing ....I would love to see this make king 5 news ... These types actions need to start forming ...its the only way anything will ever come of it