Why most probably don't see wolves as much of a public safety problem

[dontgetcrabs]

I don't post here much, and might have missed it but what are wolves good for in the modern age.

Nothing at all. 

[Claymore15]

That's what i was thinking,  we have hunters that thin the herd, bears and coyotes and cougars, why add an another apex predator just my if someone has another side I am willing to listen

[snowpack]

I don't post here much, and might have missed it but what are wolves good for in the modern age.

Science experiments for biologists that aren't happy with a good thing and want to try something really radical to get their name out there.

[idahohuntr]

we have hunters that thin the herd, bears and coyotes and cougars, why add an another apex predator just my if someone has another side I am willing to listen

Washington didn't add wolves though...they migrated in from other states and B.C.  They are now being forced to deal with an extraordinarily polarizing animal...unfortunately for most hunters Washington has a very liberal political base that is not so keen on hunting so WDFW is in an even tougher spot when it comes to managing wolves...especially compared to Idaho or Wyoming. 

[Claymore15]

This is were I am confused how can so many show up in this state  by coming thru Canada and sportsman not shooting them as coyotes

[wolfbait]

we have hunters that thin the herd, bears and coyotes and cougars, why add an another apex predator just my if someone has another side I am willing to listen

Washington didn't add wolves though...they migrated in from other states and B.C.  They are now being forced to deal with an extraordinarily polarizing animal...unfortunately for most hunters Washington has a very liberal political base that is not so keen on hunting so WDFW is in an even tougher spot when it comes to managing wolves...especially compared to Idaho or Wyoming. 

So that explains why WDFW are protecting predators and lying about the impacts on the ungulates and livestock. I bet WDFW were as shocked as everyone else when they discovered that wolves had traveled through several thousand acres of prime elk, deer, etc. habitat to settle in a few miles outside out Twisp. No wonder they refuse to confirm the lookout pack for so many years, they were in shock.

[pianoman9701]

I don't post here much, and might have missed it but what are wolves good for in the modern age.

Science experiments for biologists that aren't happy with a good thing and want to try something really radical to get their name out there.

There are definitely those in the greenie community who would like to see wolves replace hunters as a game management tool and end big game hunting in this state. They don't care about the wolves. They want an end to hunting.

[AspenBud]

This is were I am confused how can so many show up in this state  by coming thru Canada and sportsman not shooting them as coyotes

I think you might be surprised at how many don't bother taking a shot at coyotes.

They didn't just show up from Canada. Idaho had their booming population that spilled over. If a wolf can wander from Oregon to California and back they can wander from Idaho or BC into Washington and back...or settle in. No conspiracy needed.

[AspenBud]

we have hunters that thin the herd, bears and coyotes and cougars, why add an another apex predator just my if someone has another side I am willing to listen

Washington didn't add wolves though...they migrated in from other states and B.C.  They are now being forced to deal with an extraordinarily polarizing animal...unfortunately for most hunters Washington has a very liberal political base that is not so keen on hunting so WDFW is in an even tougher spot when it comes to managing wolves...especially compared to Idaho or Wyoming. 

So that explains why WDFW are protecting predators and lying about the impacts on the ungulates and livestock. I bet WDFW were as shocked as everyone else when they discovered that wolves had traveled through several thousand acres of prime elk, deer, etc. habitat to settle in a few miles outside out Twisp. No wonder they refuse to confirm the lookout pack for so many years, they were in shock.

You're a very strange individual. On one hand you want everyone to shoot shovel and shut up and on the other you want to be able to get the state to verify that you had a wolf eat a cow so you can get your handout. Double dip much?      

[bearpaw]

I don't post here much, and might have missed it but what are wolves good for in the modern age.

Science experiments for biologists that aren't happy with a good thing and want to try something really radical to get their name out there.

There are definitely those in the greenie community who would like to see wolves replace hunters as a game management tool and end big game hunting in this state. They don't care about the wolves. They want an end to hunting.

   BINGO

[wolfbait]

we have hunters that thin the herd, bears and coyotes and cougars, why add an another apex predator just my if someone has another side I am willing to listen

Washington didn't add wolves though...they migrated in from other states and B.C.  They are now being forced to deal with an extraordinarily polarizing animal...unfortunately for most hunters Washington has a very liberal political base that is not so keen on hunting so WDFW is in an even tougher spot when it comes to managing wolves...especially compared to Idaho or Wyoming. 

So that explains why WDFW are protecting predators and lying about the impacts on the ungulates and livestock. I bet WDFW were as shocked as everyone else when they discovered that wolves had traveled through several thousand acres of prime elk, deer, etc. habitat to settle in a few miles outside out Twisp. No wonder they refuse to confirm the lookout pack for so many years, they were in shock.

You're a very strange individual. On one hand you want everyone to shoot shovel and shut up and on the other you want to be able to get the state to verify that you had a wolf eat a cow so you can get your handout. Double dip much?      

Just stating the facts, WDFW in the past have refuse to confirm wolf killed livestock, we will see how it goes with the new wolf specialist. WDFW refuse to confirm wolf sighting that are obvious, they only confirm wolf packs when forced to do so, and they won't acknowledge the impact wolves and other predators are having on the ungulates.

You say handout? You sound like the defenders of wildlife crew, WDFW aren't in the confirming business as long as they can lie their way out of it. On top of that, history in other states have shown that one in nine livestock kills by wolves are confirmed, not to mention the weight loss from stress wolves have on cows when they have been chased or harassed by wolves.

Thanks to ID, MT and Wyoming who have gone through the same BS that WA is going through, there are several recipes that take care of wolves without pulling the trigger. Rumor has it, magic meatballs top the list.

[Special T]

What i have found with Wolfbaits posts are this. He has produced  more information and evidence about wolves from 3rd parties than any other 3 members here combined. He says what seems to be commen sense as he sees it. and is iritated when some of you cannot connect the dots.

Some of you need Iron clad proof as to what has happend regaurding wolves in order to belive that the WDFW is up to no good. That is fine, and your right. I think judging the WDFW ACTIONS is a better indication of what is going on than what they SAY they are doing. I can't tell you exactly why they are doing strange things, however the WDFW isn't helping themselves.  HUNTERS should be the major supporters of the agency even if we have minor disagreements with them.

TRUST is a key factor. There have been very FEW issues that the WDFW has been forthcoming about in order to resolve them. When they have it has been around and individual that has worked really hard to bring everyone together. IMO the Individual earned the trust/respect NOT the agency.

I would LOVE to see Wolfbait draft out a time line of Wolf related events noted by his vast collection of 3rd party documentation. I would guess that his assertions would  not seem so far fetched to many of you if laid out in that manner. Unfortunatly I don't think Wolfbait is the kind of person that likes/wants to hold each persons hand and give them the intimate blow by blow. I would bet Lunch that he would say "i've provided documentation that people can read and come to a logical conclusion. If they don't take the time,desire or inclination then they aren't too likely to be swayed by what i have to say or the facts i present."

Perhaps some of you that think Wolf bait is just a crazy old coot should just go back though is old posts and just see how many are clips or links to articles compared to  his "Rants" 

[bearpaw]

  You are correct Special T that wolfbait has provided more actual data and links to wolf data than anyone. Especially some of the guys calling him out who really never provide much data to support their arguments at all.

[idahohuntr]

You are correct Special T that wolfbait has provided more actual data and links to wolf data than anyone. Especially some of the guys calling him out who really never provide much data to support their arguments at all.

Oh most definitely...I have been in awe of how much data he has presented on wdfw transplanting wolves.   

[bearpaw]

You are correct Special T that wolfbait has provided more actual data and links to wolf data than anyone. Especially some of the guys calling him out who really never provide much data to support their arguments at all.

Oh most definitely...I have been in awe of how much data he has presented on wdfw transplanting wolves.   

That's not really a fair statement. 

That issue is only one of the may things wolfbait has talked about. Not saying I agree with everything he writes, but he has provided more wolf data and evidence with links than anyone on this forum.