Why most probably don't see wolves as much of a public safety problem

[wolfbait]

I wonder if WDFW will mention the female wolf they collard recently in McFarland Cr? Will they continue to ignore the wolf reports in Black Canyon? If they do mention the new collard female will they try to claim she is part of the lookout pack, or claim it is a wolf that "migrated" in from Idaho? Or will they finally confirm another pack in the Methow?

[idahohuntr]

I wonder if WDFW will mention the female wolf they collard recently in McFarland Cr? Will they continue to ignore the wolf reports in Black Canyon? If they do mention the new collard female will they try to claim she is part of the lookout pack, or claim it is a wolf that "migrated" in from Idaho? Or will they finally confirm another pack in the Methow?

So you don't think wolves can migrate huh?   

[Romulus1297]

I wonder if WDFW will mention the female wolf they collard recently in McFarland Cr? Will they continue to ignore the wolf reports in Black Canyon? If they do mention the new collard female will they try to claim she is part of the lookout pack, or claim it is a wolf that "migrated" in from Idaho? Or will they finally confirm another pack in the Methow?

That's really nice My girl can look at my Squaw Cr. Buck on the wall but I wont take her there this year or next year or next year or next year etc. Not my avatar buck either. What a waist of the Methow deer how stupid

[wolfbait]

I wonder if WDFW will mention the female wolf they collard recently in McFarland Cr? Will they continue to ignore the wolf reports in Black Canyon? If they do mention the new collard female will they try to claim she is part of the lookout pack, or claim it is a wolf that "migrated" in from Idaho? Or will they finally confirm another pack in the Methow?

So you don't think wolves can migrate huh?   

Caribou migrate, wolves expand!  In Idaho Ed Bangs released wolves where they weren't suppose to,  people watched as the wildlife disappeared from the release outward,  the same with livestock kills,  Ed Bangs later admitted they released the wolves.  Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?

[idahohuntr]

Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?

Yes, USFWS stole the word "migration" in a secret attempt to make everyone think the wolves came from nowhere even though the President and about a 1000 reporters were on hand for their releases in 95 or 96.  Too bad the wolf lovers didn't think of that one...I mean who knew there would be reporters present taking pictures when the President of the United States showed up?

Now, in a couple years when there is still not a single shred of evidence that wolves were planted by wdfw or usfws in WA will you shut up?  Or will you just come up with more bogus conspiracies to explain away your continued lack of evidence for your absurd claims? 

[jackelope]

I wonder if WDFW will mention the female wolf they collard recently in McFarland Cr? Will they continue to ignore the wolf reports in Black Canyon? If they do mention the new collard female will they try to claim she is part of the lookout pack, or claim it is a wolf that "migrated" in from Idaho? Or will they finally confirm another pack in the Methow?

So you don't think wolves can migrate huh?   

Caribou migrate, wolves expand!  In Idaho Ed Bangs released wolves where they weren't suppose to,  people watched as the wildlife disappeared from the release outward,  the same with livestock kills,  Ed Bangs later admitted they released the wolves.  Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?

Just a few more years? It's been about 5 years since the truth was going to come out eventually. Glad to see it's only going to be a few more. It's like an 8 year plan to get the truth out and expose the WDFW. Looking forward to the day.

[wolfbait]

Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?

Yes, USFWS stole the word "migration" in a secret attempt to make everyone think the wolves came from nowhere even though the President and about a 1000 reporters were on hand for their releases in 95 or 96.  Too bad the wolf lovers didn't think of that one...I mean who knew there would be reporters present taking pictures when the President of the United States showed up?

Now, in a couple years when there is still not a single shred of evidence that wolves were planted by wdfw or usfws in WA will you shut up?  Or will you just come up with more bogus conspiracies to explain away your continued lack of evidence for your absurd claims?

"Caribou migrate, wolves expand!  In Idaho Ed Bangs released wolves where they weren't suppose to,  people watched as the wildlife disappeared from the release outward,  the same with livestock kills,  Ed Bangs later admitted they released the wolves.  Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?"

You might as well quote the whole post ID.  in 2004-2005 the USFWS released another bunch of wolves south of I-90, when Ed Bangs admitted the release he said they had to do it because wolves were not expanding as quick as they had hoped.

How do you bring out agenda driven pro-wolfers? Mention the fact that WDFW will be held accountable for releasing wolves in WA.

[wolfbait]

I wonder if WDFW will mention the female wolf they collard recently in McFarland Cr? Will they continue to ignore the wolf reports in Black Canyon? If they do mention the new collard female will they try to claim she is part of the lookout pack, or claim it is a wolf that "migrated" in from Idaho? Or will they finally confirm another pack in the Methow?

So you don't think wolves can migrate huh?   

Caribou migrate, wolves expand!  In Idaho Ed Bangs released wolves where they weren't suppose to,  people watched as the wildlife disappeared from the release outward,  the same with livestock kills,  Ed Bangs later admitted they released the wolves.  Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?

Just a few more years? It's been about 5 years since the truth was going to come out eventually. Glad to see it's only going to be a few more. It's like an 8 year plan to get the truth out and expose the WDFW. Looking forward to the day.

There has to be pictures or film of releases Jack, other wise the USFWS/WDFW will lie their way out, but then you already know that. Hows that "just settle down and wait for delisting" working out for everyone? Where have you been Jack? I thought you weren't going to talk about wolves anymore?  Or is it only when you must defend WDFW's fake wolf "migrations"?

[jackelope]

[idahohuntr]

Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?

Yes, USFWS stole the word "migration" in a secret attempt to make everyone think the wolves came from nowhere even though the President and about a 1000 reporters were on hand for their releases in 95 or 96.  Too bad the wolf lovers didn't think of that one...I mean who knew there would be reporters present taking pictures when the President of the United States showed up?

Now, in a couple years when there is still not a single shred of evidence that wolves were planted by wdfw or usfws in WA will you shut up?  Or will you just come up with more bogus conspiracies to explain away your continued lack of evidence for your absurd claims?

"Caribou migrate, wolves expand!  In Idaho Ed Bangs released wolves where they weren't suppose to,  people watched as the wildlife disappeared from the release outward,  the same with livestock kills,  Ed Bangs later admitted they released the wolves.  Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?"

You might as well quote the whole post ID.  in 2004-2005 the USFWS released another bunch of wolves south of I-90, when Ed Bangs admitted the release he said they had to do it because wolves were not expanding as quick as they had hoped.

How do you bring out agenda driven pro-wolfers? Mention the fact that WDFW will be held accountable for releasing wolves in WA.

  You pack more lies into one post than I could have ever imagined.  No wolves were released in Idaho in 2004/5 and wolves HAVE NEVER been released in WA by usfws and wdfw. 

You want to talk accountability??  How about you promise to just shut your mouth unless you can provide evidence of all these wolf releases?  I don't care if you want to rally for extermination and ultimately do more harm to de-listing efforts...but if you can't support with one credible piece of evidence your statements then you should stop lying.

If we are just on the cusp of having all of this evidence of wolf releases how about you just keep your mouth shut until all of this evidence comes pouring in...and once you get all of that credible evidence and WDFW is exposed, by all means come back here and gloat.

[wolfbait]

I wonder if WDFW will mention the female wolf they collard recently in McFarland Cr? Will they continue to ignore the wolf reports in Black Canyon? If they do mention the new collard female will they try to claim she is part of the lookout pack, or claim it is a wolf that "migrated" in from Idaho? Or will they finally confirm another pack in the Methow?

Apparently a wolf/wolves attacked a dog in McFarland creek recently, then came the trapping.

[wolfbait]

Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?

Yes, USFWS stole the word "migration" in a secret attempt to make everyone think the wolves came from nowhere even though the President and about a 1000 reporters were on hand for their releases in 95 or 96.  Too bad the wolf lovers didn't think of that one...I mean who knew there would be reporters present taking pictures when the President of the United States showed up?

Now, in a couple years when there is still not a single shred of evidence that wolves were planted by wdfw or usfws in WA will you shut up?  Or will you just come up with more bogus conspiracies to explain away your continued lack of evidence for your absurd claims?

"Caribou migrate, wolves expand!  In Idaho Ed Bangs released wolves where they weren't suppose to,  people watched as the wildlife disappeared from the release outward,  the same with livestock kills,  Ed Bangs later admitted they released the wolves.  Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?"

You might as well quote the whole post ID.  in 2004-2005 the USFWS released another bunch of wolves south of I-90, when Ed Bangs admitted the release he said they had to do it because wolves were not expanding as quick as they had hoped.

How do you bring out agenda driven pro-wolfers? Mention the fact that WDFW will be held accountable for releasing wolves in WA.

  You pack more lies into one post than I could have ever imagined.  No wolves were released in Idaho in 2004/5 and wolves HAVE NEVER been released in WA by usfws and wdfw. 

You want to talk accountability??  How about you promise to just shut your mouth unless you can provide evidence of all these wolf releases?  I don't care if you want to rally for extermination and ultimately do more harm to de-listing efforts...but if you can't support with one credible piece of evidence your statements then you should stop lying.

If we are just on the cusp of having all of this evidence of wolf releases how about you just keep your mouth shut until all of this evidence comes pouring in...and once you get all of that credible evidence and WDFW is exposed, by all means come back here and gloat.

Are you having a little meltdown ID? Or is that just another agenda driven pro-wolfer rant?

No one will be gloating when the truth is exposed, and I doubt anyone will be fired? But at least the people of WA will know the how/why wolves expanded so quickly in WA. and the info might help with a few lawsuits also?

[bearpaw]

Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?

Yes, USFWS stole the word "migration" in a secret attempt to make everyone think the wolves came from nowhere even though the President and about a 1000 reporters were on hand for their releases in 95 or 96.  Too bad the wolf lovers didn't think of that one...I mean who knew there would be reporters present taking pictures when the President of the United States showed up?

Now, in a couple years when there is still not a single shred of evidence that wolves were planted by wdfw or usfws in WA will you shut up?  Or will you just come up with more bogus conspiracies to explain away your continued lack of evidence for your absurd claims?

"Caribou migrate, wolves expand!  In Idaho Ed Bangs released wolves where they weren't suppose to,  people watched as the wildlife disappeared from the release outward,  the same with livestock kills,  Ed Bangs later admitted they released the wolves.  Like the word conservation, which was stolen from hunters by the environmentalists,  migration was stolen by the USFWS in order to hide wolf releases.  In a couple of years WDFW will be exposed publicly for their wolf releases, I wonder if they will have the same response as Ed Bangs.

What were you saying about stupid people?"

You might as well quote the whole post ID.  in 2004-2005 the USFWS released another bunch of wolves south of I-90, when Ed Bangs admitted the release he said they had to do it because wolves were not expanding as quick as they had hoped.

How do you bring out agenda driven pro-wolfers? Mention the fact that WDFW will be held accountable for releasing wolves in WA.

  You pack more lies into one post than I could have ever imagined.  No wolves were released in Idaho in 2004/5 and wolves HAVE NEVER been released in WA by usfws and wdfw. 

You want to talk accountability??  How about you promise to just shut your mouth unless you can provide evidence of all these wolf releases?  I don't care if you want to rally for extermination and ultimately do more harm to de-listing efforts...but if you can't support with one credible piece of evidence your statements then you should stop lying.

If we are just on the cusp of having all of this evidence of wolf releases how about you just keep your mouth shut until all of this evidence comes pouring in...and once you get all of that credible evidence and WDFW is exposed, by all means come back here and gloat.

You are starting to go a little over the edge with your antagonistic comments and you provided no evidence to back up your claims against wolfbait. Sort of the kettle calling the pot black if you ask me. What gives? 

[idahohuntr]

When people intentionally distort the truth and make outrageous claims the burden should be on them to provide CREDIBLE evidence supporting their claim.     There is enough controversy around wolf management that we don't need these silly distractions about wolf releases that take away from the important issues like de-listing and demonstrating the hunting community is a reasonable group of well informed folks who have an interest in conserving all of Washingtons wildlife...including deer and elk.

Are my comments antagonistic...   My point is back up the claims with credible evidence or stop the lies...I'm not sure how to put that more gently. 

Fact: USFWS and WDFW NEVER RELEASED WOLVES IN WA STATE.  This should not be a difficult one to understand...if they were going to use cover-ups and conspiracies to release wolves it would have been more believable in Idaho where there is much more opposition.  Releasing wolves in WA would have been met with open arms...this one doesn't even make sense. 
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/faq.html#1

Fact: Wolves were not released in Idaho by USFWS/IDFG in 2004/5.  Wolfy says this was done because they weren't expanding rapidly enough...yet he also claims wolf numbers expanded to large numbers in ID and decimated game populations throughout Idaho...which is it wolfy?
http://www.fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/wildlife/wolves/?getPage=161

I have provided links to the facts I posted.  So, either IDFG, WDFW and USFWS are involved in some super conspiracy...or wolves were released in 1995/96 and expanded naturally from there.  I'm sticking with the latter in the absence of ANY CREDIBLE EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATING OTHERWISE. 

[WAcoyotehunter]

We have been hearing about "illegal releases" for years.  I agree that it is time for Wolfbait to provide some shread of evidence to support those claims, or quiet down about them.  I do not have any reason to believe that they happened in WA- if there is some evidence (and there would be...the WDFW is not organized enough to that it covertly) it should have been produced by now. 

This argument has been going on for several years... it's probably about time to share some of the information that he has been eluding to to back up his claims.