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WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« on: June 23, 2014, 03:10:20 PM »
Sound like it'll be easy to cure if we kill all the elk.

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WDFW to survey elk with hoof disease,
euthanize those with severe symptoms

OLYMPIA - The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) plans to conduct a broad-based survey this summer of elk with hoof disease in southwest Washington and will likely euthanize those with severe symptoms of the crippling ailment.

To help with the survey, state wildlife managers plan to enlist dozens of volunteers to assist them in assessing the prevalence and geographic distribution of the disease in the St. Helens and Willapa Hills elk herds.

To minimize the spread of the disease, WDFW is also proposing new regulations requiring hunters to leave the hooves of any elk taken in the affected area on site.

WDFW announced its plan two weeks after a 16-member scientific panel agreed that the disease most likely involves a type of bacterial infection that leaves elk with missing or misshapen hooves.

Members of the panel, composed of veterinarians and researchers throughout the state, agreed that the disease closely resembles contagious ovine digital dermatitis in sheep.

Dr. Kristin Mansfield, WDFW epidemiologist, said the panel's diagnosis is consistent with the findings of the USDA National Animal Disease Center and four other independent diagnostic laboratories that have tested samples of elk hooves submitted by WDFW since last year.

Mansfield said treponeme bacteria have been linked to an increase of hoof disease in sheep and cattle in many parts of the world, but have never before been documented in elk or other wildlife.

Nate Pamplin, director of WDFW's Wildlife Program, said the diagnosis limits the department's management options, because there is no vaccine for the disease and no proven options for treating it in the field.

"At this point, we don't know whether we can contain this disease," Pamplin said, "but we do know that assessing its impacts and putting severely crippled animals out of their misery is the right thing to do."

Since 2008, WDFW has received increasing reports of elk with misshapen hooves in Cowlitz, Pacific, Lewis, Clark, Wahkiakum and Grays Harbor counties, all within the range of the two elk herds.

Scientists believe the animals pick up and transmit the disease through wet soil, characteristic of the lowlands of southwest Washington.

"There is no evidence that the bacteria are harmful to humans, and tests have shown that the disease does not affect the animals' meat or organs," Mansfield said. "But treating infected animals has posed a real challenge for the livestock industry for nearly 30 years."

Some livestock producers bathe the hooves of infected sheep and cattle in an antibiotic solution, but many become re-infected and are ultimately sent to market, Mansfield said.

"In any case, daily footbaths are not a realistic solution when you're dealing with thousands of free-roaming elk," she said.

The primary focus of WDFW's work this summer will be to assess the geographic spread of the disease and the proportion of the herd that is affected, Pamplin said. The department will enlist the help of volunteers to run survey routes and report their observations.

Information gathered from the survey will be compared against sightings of diseased elk reported by the public since 2010 using WDFW's online reporting system, he said. Reports can be filed at http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/health/hoof_disease/reporting/ .

Next winter, WDFW will capture and fit elk with radio-collars to determine how the disease is affecting area elk populations, survival rates and calving. Wildlife managers will likely remove elk showing severe symptoms of hoof disease to end their suffering, Pamplin said.

In a separate measure, the department has proposed new regulations requiring hunters to leave the hooves of any elk taken in the affected area on site. The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission is scheduled to hear public comments and take action on that proposal in August.

Pamplin noted that hoof disease is one of a number of illnesses without a cure affecting wildlife throughout the nation. Chronic wasting disease, epizootic hemorrhagic disease and tuberculosis all take their toll on elk and deer each year in other states.

"Bacterial hoof disease in elk presents a huge challenge for all of us," Pamplin said. "We will continue to work with scientists, hunters and local communities to assess its toll on area elk herds and determine our course of action."  "
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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 03:19:53 PM »
Stuck on treps and not a single mention of leptospira bacteria. I wonder who the 4 independent labs are????
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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2014, 03:30:32 PM »
Here is a brief description of this disease in sheep http://en.wikivet.net/Contagious_Ovine_Digital_Dermatitis.  Not sure this is particularly illuminating.  Some of my worry is that if you kill the infected animals you might believe that you are making progress when you really are not i.e., the root cause is still there. 

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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2014, 03:35:10 PM »
Not to mention that if Dr Mora is correct and it is leptospirosis, it's curable with antibiotics.
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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 05:53:38 PM »
"But treating infected animals has posed a real challenge for the livestock industry for nearly 30 years."

Some livestock producers bathe the hooves of infected sheep and cattle in an antibiotic solution, but many become re-infected and are ultimately sent to market, Mansfield said.


If the well financed livestock industry continues to be challenged in dealing with this disease in domesticated animals, it does seem that actions to reduce spreading is the most prudent approach for elk...i.e., keeping hooves where they are harvested, culling clearly diseased/suffering animals. 

I am curious about the ecology of these trep. bacteria and if there are indeed habitat factors that could reduce the prevalence of the bacteria...or, do they just do well in wet climates and thus control in SW Wa is almost impossible  :dunno:

 
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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2014, 06:24:02 PM »
I agree that euthanizing elk that are severely crippled is the humane thing to do right now considering there's no cure or solution in sight.  However, I'm suspicious that their culling of the herd has very little to do with genuine sympathy for their suffering.  If that were truly the case then it seems they would have been much more proactive in investigating this disease and euthanizing animals years ago.  My suspicion is that WDFW has suddenly become interested in euthanizing severely affected animals because they realize that the potential cost of liability issues now outweigh the benefits of selling a few more elk tags - the liabilities of course being that the elk may be dangerous to harvest due to leptospirosis and unsafe to eat due to these chemicals, bacteria, and who knows what else.

Also, it's just amazing to me that WDFW is pitching this treponema theory as if their "16-member scientific panel" was in complete and unanimous agreement with that diagnosis.  In fact, there was some very vocal dissent.  Here's just some of their panel's "agreement":

“[Treponemes] are possibly playing a role, but they’re not the entirety,” said Jennifer Wilson, a research microbiologist with the USDA.

“I buy the fact that it’s acting like a novel introduced disease. I’m just saying this treponema data does not support that,” said Tom Besser, a specialist in Veterinary Microbiology and Pathology at WSU.

“I also have a little bit of a concern because the treponema hypothesis still requires an initiating event… Until you figure out what that triggering event was you’re not going to be able to really understand the disease,” said Dr. Anne Fairbrother, an Ecotoxicologist with Exponent Engineering and Scientific Consulting.

“You’re mentioning lots of different bacteria. That’s one piece of the puzzle… but there are other things that seem to be missing in the puzzle. Big pieces. The big pieces are the environmental factors and why this particular region and not other regions,” said Dale Moore, an expert in preventive veterinary medicine at WSU.

And in addition to all of this, when I spoke with Dr. Paul Kohrs, the Acting State Veterinarian from the Washington State Department of Agriculture, and a member of WDFW's Technical Advisory Group, he told me that his office knew of no recent incidents of treponema in the domestic animals of southwest Washington. 

Lastly, WDFW is going to spend gobs of money on this survey, and that's fine, but why don't they also tranquilize some elk, pen em up and do some live testing?  They could even maybe test how the elk do with herbicide-treated forage if they were so inclined.  Am I crazy to think that live testing is a pretty reasonable way to get some reliable information?

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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 06:28:16 PM »
WDFW must have been at a different meeting on June 3rd.   Despite being told otherwise by their own panel, they still want to make claim that Treponema is the CAUSE?  Not a secondary effect ?????   

What is wrong with these people?  We need to find someone who can and will remove these people as its become obvious they have become part of the problem. 

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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2014, 06:47:53 PM »
Are they going to give the meat from euthanized elk to food banks?

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Re: WDFW's &quot;Final Solution&quot;: Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 06:55:02 PM »
Are they going to give the meat from euthanized elk to food banks?

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they have in the past and since it does not affect the meat I'm sure they will donate to the food bank.

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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2014, 06:59:46 PM »
 :bash:   They don't know what it is!   How can they in good faith say its safe?    :bdid:

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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2014, 07:03:48 PM »
transport the lookout pack there and let them take care of it. There wouldnt  be a hoof rot problem for too much longer then.
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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2014, 07:07:54 PM »
Lastly, WDFW is going to spend gobs of money on this survey, and that's fine, but why don't they also tranquilize some elk, pen em up and do some live testing?  They could even maybe test how the elk do with herbicide-treated forage if they were so inclined.  Am I crazy to think that live testing is a pretty reasonable way to get some reliable information?
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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2014, 07:14:28 PM »
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since it does not affect the meat

I wouldn't feel too confident about that statement if I were you, idahohuntr.  This from the National Center for Biotechnology Information.  Published in 2011.  Remember that atrazine is one of the most commonly sprayed chemicals in our forests.

"The statistically significant difference between atrazine concentration in the serum and urine samples of the study and control groups indicated that atrazine in the feed ingredients ingested by cattle could be transferred in to the biological samples and could be a potential hazard for human health."

Can't see why elk or deer that've been eating this stuff would be any safer than cattle.  Here's the link:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481744/


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Re: WDFW's "Final Solution": Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2014, 07:22:13 PM »
Anyone who has purchased a hunting license ,and special permits have just been RIPPED OFF. WDFW has repeatedly told us hunters,these ELK are safe to eat B S.There no way this is contained to the hoof area,it's in there blood stream period.Ive said from day one this is a HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE to the public.Now I would like to know when they kill this infinite number of elk,if they will do any toxin test?I also will be warning all food banks,about the chance that these elk may have LEPTOSPIROSIS.All of us sportsman should be FURIOUS about the lack of leadership and being lied to.Any WDFW employee who has been part of the F ed up mess should be fired.If they had done this in the winter after hunting season, it would be a lot easier for some sportsman.But before we go out to hunt,and have spent our hard earned cash that's not alright.

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Re: WDFW's &quot;Final Solution&quot;: Euthanize Severely Affected Elk
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2014, 07:29:11 PM »
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since it does not affect the meat

I wouldn't feel too confident about that statement if I were you, idahohuntr.  This from the National Center for Biotechnology Information.  Published in 2011.  Remember that atrazine is one of the most commonly sprayed chemicals in our forests.

"The statistically significant difference between atrazine concentration in the serum and urine samples of the study and control groups indicated that atrazine in the feed ingredients ingested by cattle could be transferred in to the biological samples and could be a potential hazard for human health."

Can't see why elk or deer that've been eating this stuff would be any safer than cattle.  Here's the link:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481744/

Well then wouldn't that make EVERY elk around there tainted and unsafe? Not just the hoof rot elk?

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