pasayten high buck hunters in closed areas of harts pass.

[bobcat]

I don't do the high hunt but i have walked into wilderness from harts pass it is about 700-800 yds to the boundary.

its not the wilderness area we are talking about its  the actual hunt boundaries they are different.

Why would the boundaries be different? The open area, according to the regulations, is "Pasayten." I assume that means the Pasayten Wilderness. But, maybe it means the Pasayten GMU. I always assumed the GMU boundary was the same as the wilderness boundary, but quickly glancing at the boundary description right now, it uses a lot of USFS trails. I don't know if those trails are inside or outside the wilderness boundary. 

[Methow Bowman]

Wow, I can't believe a couple of the remarks.
I am an Avid Bow Hunter and have Hunted the Mazama area for more then 25 years and was just discussing
all this as these Modern Firearm Deer Hunters were driving out this afternoon past our cabins at the base of Harts Pass.
Yes this has gone ignored and the local bow hunters are frustrated, If enough of us stand our ground with the Game Department
I hope something will finally be done.
The only one outfitter up there is Aaron Lee and you will not see him in hunter orange at his base camp, I know it well.
The facts are that these Modern Firearm Deer hunters are way away from the Pasayten Wilderness "Hunting Unit"
There is the Government driven "Pasaytem Wilderness" and the "Pasayten Wilderness High Hunt Unit" Two different Boundary
Lines. I hope that the true honest guys have just not studied it enough and not just neglectfully Hunting closed areas to rifle season. 
 
Fact 1, The Robinson Creek trail Head at the base of harts pass is the start of the high hunt unit after a mile and a half hike up. At that point you can hunt North East of the Trail and you are in the High Hunt Unit.
This is no where near the camps you are hearing about, But in fact many miles down to be at the base to get to the trail head.
 
Fact 2, The other only true entry point for any hunter to enter the "Pasayten Willderness Hunting Unit" is the trail Head over a mile above the Outfitters Base camp. From there the quickest way into the Robinson Creek Trail that is the furthest West boundary in that stretch if you take
the 410Alt trail in it is 3.2 miles in........Please check your maps and trace out your hunting unit. I can't respond to the post that says that the high hunt unit is only 1 mile from Harts Pass except to say that would be as a Pasayten wilderness boundary and not the Pasayten Wilderness Hunt Unit Boundary. Anyone that has ever truly been in the High Hunt Unit from the direction of the road these deer hunting rifle hunters are is not something they are doing. This would take all day for a in shape man just to reach the trail that is the boundary due to the terrain. This why you would use the trails not trying to make your own through one of the thickest drainages there is up there.
 
Fact 3, Conclusion is these hunters are miles from the High Hunt Unit where we are seeing them actually hunting. You can say anything
you want to say that this is not true but I can tell you from spending much time up there this is what is being discussed area wise.
 
One more Thing, Yes many of us have confronted these Hunters asking what they are hunting/doing and the response is "We are Huntin The High Hunt. I and many others have talked to them with no out come. They truly think the are in the High Hunt Unit Hunting. Well they then have truly never been in the Unit, this is very clear.
 
Also I took my Buck on the 4th,
Please don't make our 30 day season seem unworthy, it is our season please respect that to those who think we have no need for it.
 
 

[wsmnut]

Has the Game Dept. sent anyone out to investigate this issue?

Wsmnut

[MtnMuley]

Great first post met bowman. You couldn't have said it any better.

[boneaddict]

I have to agree. 

[boneaddict]

Considering how big the Methow is, and how many Game "cops" there are, I am not sure they have the manpower, though this has been a problem for decades.   The way the rules are written it would also be hard to enforce. 

[bobcat]

I think in September the WDFW enforcement is mainly working the salmon fishing, and maybe as a second priority, the archery elk season. Modern firearm high hunt must be at the bottom of their priority list.

[X-Force]

Methow Bowman you are incorrect to say that the Pasayten 203 is the unit boundary for the high hunt. The Pasayten wilderness is the boundary so portions of 218 are open.

[bobcat]

Methow Bowman you are incorrect to say that the Pasayten 203 is the unit boundary for the high hunt. The Pasayten wilderness is the boundary so portions of 218 are open.

I don't know which one is the correct boundary for the high hunt, but I do know in the 2014 reg's it's unclear. It says "Pasayten" and in the heading above that it says "GMU's." So, my assumption is that the boundary would be the GMU boundary and not the Pasayten wilderness boundary. But until today, I always believed the wilderness boundary was the high hunt boundary. 

[WildlifeAssassin]

"Alpine Lakes, Mount Baker, Glacier Peak, Pasayten, All
Wilderness Areas on the Olympic Peninsula, Henry Jackson
Wilderness Areas and Lake Chelan Recreation Area"

GMUs have nothing to do with the high hunt. The wilderness boundaries apply.

[X-Force]

 

[Methow Bowman]

No need to say anymore then to all
to run your map by the unit description.
that simple for all to see for the area in question.
ignorance is no excuse.

[bobcat]

"Alpine Lakes, Mount Baker, Glacier Peak, Pasayten, All
Wilderness Areas on the Olympic Peninsula, Henry Jackson
Wilderness Areas and Lake Chelan Recreation Area"

GMUs have nothing to do with the high hunt. The wilderness boundaries apply.

But in your opinion, is that clear in the regulations? As I previously posted, the listed areas are identified in the heading as "Game Management Units." So a guy would see that, then flip to the pages in the back, and read the description for the Pasayten GMU (203).

Nowhere does it say the wilderness boundary is the high hunt boundary.

[X-Force]

to the left of the list of wilderness/recreation areas open for the high hunt it says see page 100 for maps.
I have to admit it does seem more confusing than it should be but if the Pasayten unit was open it would be listed as 203 like every other gmu.

[WildlifeAssassin]

Can you point me to the Mount Baker GMU? The Glacier Peak GMU? (Clark) The "All
Wilderness Areas on the Olympic Peninsula" GMU?