WDFW to Hold wolf Meeting Colville

[KFhunter]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County.

You are totally wrong on who owns the lands in this entire country. We, the people do. We are the gubmint ( loosely because of how we're threatened by the corruption in the gubmint ). The gubmint is working for us, not the other way around. We pay their salaries, every cent of it. We need our power back and not the gubmint getting more and more and screwing us, period.

You're absolutely right, it's we the people. Not just the people of Stevens County. Every deer, elk, cougar, wolf, tree, spot of dirt... if it's on government land it belongs to everyone, not just one small population center in the corner of the state. That doesn't make what is happening particularly fair, but the fact remains, the county can enforce rules on county land and that's about it. The good senator just did what any politician does and say what his constituents wanted to hear and make promises that he can't keep or that are unachievable.

When your neighbors dogs comes over and kills all your chickens what do you do?

You've contacted the neighbor about the problem, you've spend out of pocket 100's of dollars upgrading your fence yet the dogs keep coming over.
Now you've caught your neighbor opening the gate and letting the dogs in your yard!

Neighbor says they're just doing what dogs do and tosses you $2.25 to cover the loss of a chicken that one of his dogs are currently mauling...you tell him you've lost over 20 chickens! and due to the harassment by his dogs only a few chickens will lay eggs and they're bloody and unusable!  The neighbor says wasn't his dogs killed those 20 chickens, must have been a honey badger,  you kindly inform him that it wasn't a freaking honey badger they're in Africa you dum........

Now you get into a fist fight, get arrested for assault and tossed in the slammer while all your chickens get confiscated because the city just rezoned your area to prohibit poultry and livestock of any kind while you were in jail.  When you finally get home the neighbor just acquired a couple of new dogs, and they bark 24/7.

[AspenBud]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County.

You are totally wrong on who owns the lands in this entire country. We, the people do. We are the gubmint ( loosely because of how we're threatened by the corruption in the gubmint ). The gubmint is working for us, not the other way around. We pay their salaries, every cent of it. We need our power back and not the gubmint getting more and more and screwing us, period.

You're absolutely right, it's we the people. Not just the people of Stevens County. Every deer, elk, cougar, wolf, tree, spot of dirt... if it's on government land it belongs to everyone, not just one small population center in the corner of the state. That doesn't make what is happening particularly fair, but the fact remains, the county can enforce rules on county land and that's about it. The good senator just did what any politician does and say what his constituents wanted to hear and make promises that he can't keep or that are unachievable.

When your neighbors dogs comes over and kills all your chickens what do you do?

You've contacted the neighbor about the problem, you've spend out of pocket 100's of dollars upgrading your fence yet the dogs keep coming over.
Now you've caught your neighbor opening the gate and letting the dogs in your yard!

Neighbor says they're just doing what dogs do and tosses you $2.25 to cover the loss of a chicken that one of his dogs are currently mauling...you tell him you've lost over 20 chickens! and due to the harassment by his dogs only a few chickens will lay eggs and they're bloody and unusable!  The neighbor says wasn't his dogs killed those 20 chickens, must have been a honey badger,  you kindly inform him that it wasn't a freaking honey badger they're in Africa you dum........

Now you get into a fist fight, get arrested for assault and tossed in the slammer while all your chickens get confiscated because the city just rezoned your area to prohibit poultry and livestock of any kind while you were in jail.  When you finally get home the neighbor just acquired a couple of new dogs, and they bark 24/7.

Call animal control...oh wait, that doesn't exist where you are does it?

Go to small claims court.

Or tape a coke bottle to the end of a .22, keep a tarp and a shovel handy (just asking for it if you bury on your property), and keep your mouth shut.

Or do what a friend of my Dad did, shoot the dogs, call the neighbor and tell him you have his dogs and will drop them off, and roll their dead bodies one by one off the back of your pickup in the driveway. Bear in mind that will likely lead to consequences.

I know where you're going with this KF, but my issue here is I think most sensible people know what to do about problem wolves and those folks aren't on here spouting about shoot shovel and shutup. People spouting here about SSS and open conflict with government agencies are really pushing an agenda that has nothing to do with wolves other than they are a convenient vehicle to whip up emotions.

For anyone to try and say that people are just standing by when they see a wolf on their land with no collar on it...I think that's a denial of reality. But it plays well if you're trying to get people who are generally distrustful of government to take it up a notch.

Most smart people who lose chickens to hawks don't draw attention to themselves. They either find a way to protect the birds non-lethally or they take care of it with a gun and bury the evidence. You know it, I know it, and the state and Fed knows it. Not everyone is a boyscout and that's why protections exist to mitigate some level of loss.

[Special T]

Funny Apenbud i agree with your last post with one exception. SSS is a about talking about more than just wolves. Wolves and numerouse other things  that make normally honest hardworking citizens choose between thier way of life, and becoming a criminal.  Wolves are the symptom and the disease is the fact that Gov is overreaching, starts problems and then steps away from thier reponcibilites to help protect peoples property, and freedom.

I dont think people that are upset are Anti Government, they are just sick off poor management. To think that the only real solution is to take matters into your own hands and remain silent about it is MORE wrong to me that trying to get peoples attention on this (or any other) issue.

[vandeman17]

article on KPQ

Ranchers are Fed Up With State Wolf Management Plan

Posted Thursday 10/09/14
 
They're mad as hell and they won't take it anymore. . .
 
Angry sheep and cattle ranchers filled a meeting hall in Colville earlier this week to tell Fish and Wildlife Department officials that wolf attacks threaten their livelihood.
 
At issue are sheep and cattle deaths in the Northeast corner of the state blamed on packs of wolves.
Wauconda Rancher and State Representative Joel Kretz says he and fellow ranchers have seen enough...
 
Kretz says he plans to reintroduce a bill that would relocate some of the wolves to the westside to the state....
 
QUESTION: HOW MANY PACKS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED
 
The State has identified 13 wolf packs with 52 wolves counted to date.
Wildlife agents have killed some wolves to deter attacks in hope that wolves and ranchers can coexist.

[AspenBud]

Funny Apenbud i agree with your last post with one exception. SSS is a about talking about more than just wolves. Wolves and numerouse other things  that make normally honest hardworking citizens choose between thier way of life, and becoming a criminal.  Wolves are the symptom and the disease is the fact that Gov is overreaching, starts problems and then steps away from thier reponcibilites to help protect peoples property, and freedom.

I dont think people that are upset are Anti Government, they are just sick off poor management. To think that the only real solution is to take matters into your own hands and remain silent about it is MORE wrong to me that trying to get peoples attention on this (or any other) issue.

There is nothing wrong with getting peoples' attention regarding the issue.

But when we start talking about Clive Bundy style stand offs over wolves and government land grabs we're not really talking about wolves anymore. But like I said, it plays well to use wolves as a way to whip up peoples' emotions regarding the government. I mean after all, they were released by the government, are protected, and now they "threaten" everyone's livelihood.  They are the ultimate scapegoat for just about anything you can think of.

Call me jaded, I just don't believe that most people are going to stand by and let a predator eat up their profits nor do I believe they are going to go public about what they are doing unless they are very very foolish. Like I said, people shoot hawks eating their chickens all the time, they don't need to since the non-lethal fix is simple and cheap, but they do it.

If a gun goes off in farm or ranch country I hardly think anyone is going to bother to call the cops or go investigate. People target shoot and people shoot varmints. Fact of life.

[PA BEN]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County.

You are totally wrong on who owns the lands in this entire country. We, the people do. We are the gubmint ( loosely because of how we're threatened by the corruption in the gubmint ). The gubmint is working for us, not the other way around. We pay their salaries, every cent of it. We need our power back and not the gubmint getting more and more and screwing us, period.

You're absolutely right, it's we the people. Not just the people of Stevens County. Every deer, elk, cougar, wolf, tree, spot of dirt... if it's on government land it belongs to everyone, not just one small population center in the corner of the state. That doesn't make what is happening particularly fair, but the fact remains, the county can enforce rules on county land and that's about it. The good senator just did what any politician does and say what his constituents wanted to hear and make promises that he can't keep or that are unachievable.

The good senator didn't just mean stevens county any county in Washington can manage the wildlife in their county. My Dad told me when he was a kid that's how it was and it worked just fine. It's no different than WDFW managing wildlife now on all lands. I do know the County will manage YOUR DEER AND ELK a lot better than WDFW. BTW, why don't you come over and get two of your wolves and take them home w/you.

[timberfaller]

"It's just amazing how selfish and unsympathetic people are that have "no skin in the game".
  By the way, I do have livestock "skin in the game" and am a Wildlife Biologist."

  For those of us who know who you are  Well said!!! 

So in order to make the West side'ers that worry about their carbon footprint  instead of burning all that fossil fuel to come over here to HEAR them,  they NEED their own local ones!!  IMHO!

[pianoman9701]

Reply from Nate Pamplin regarding the wolf to Wolf Haven and that she'll be fixed.

"Mr. Wallace:

I wanted to acknowledge that I received your email. 

As of this afternoon, the Ruby Creek female wolf has not been captured.  Upon capture, there are plans to have her 'fixed' in a manner that she will not be able to breed. 

I'll provide more details after I connect with our carnivore staff lead; and will email a more complete response to you early next week.

Have a good weekend-

Nate Pamplin, Assistant Director
Wildlife Program
WDFW"

I'm glad he got back to me and that they do have plans to spay her. I wasn't aware she hadn't been caught yet.

[BOWHUNTER45]

This makes no sense  They all knew from day one what was to come once the wolves started to reproduce    All a bunch of ignorant ______ turds !

[buckfvr]

Suggest DNA sampling as well to determine her origin................

[mfswallace]

Suggest DNA sampling as well to determine her origin................

And collar to track her once she is released, I mean escapes 

[Humptulips]

I believe  a little over a 100 grains of lead will render her unable to conceive,

[Humptulips]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County.

Whose land wildlife is on is irrelevant. Wildlife does not belong to the landowner, It belongs to the people and I see no reason a county couldn't manage it for the people as well as the state.

[villageidiot]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County.

Whose land wildlife is on is irrelevant. Wildlife does not belong to the landowner, It belongs to the people and I see no reason a county couldn't manage it for the people as well as the state.

The state passed a law I believe back in the 70s that stole the wildlife from the landowner with no compensation.  So a Washington rancher raises dozens of deer on his property feeding them his green alfalfa right in the field all summer, the does breed on his place, spend the winter on his place eating bitter rush on his hills then give birth to fawns on his place.  The rancher kills the coyotes that prey on the deer.  If the rancher wants to kill one of his deer he has to buy a license and shoot it only when the state says he can and this is not free but costs him money for permission from the state to kill one his own animals.  The rancher would love to kill one of those big Miley bucks that come down in November but never seems to get drawn so continues to allow other lucky hunters to hunt on his place for free.  The state never even says thank you. 
  This is a true story for every rancher in Washington state.  Wildlife Theft by the State of Washington.

[Humptulips]

I'd like to see this law in the 70s you speak of because I don't believe it exists. State ownership of wildlife goes back to the founding of this country and the Public Trust Doctrine.
One thing for sure The State was managing wildlife long before the 70s and that in its self implies ownership.