Got fired!

[csaaphill]

I'm the one of which you are thinking. You're wrong, but I'm the one.

I believe in private property rights. I also believe that business owners also retain those rights. You can disagree, that's fine, I think it's a stretch to call that a liberal ideal, however.

your not a liberal then?

Where are you going with this? Are you saying if someone disagrees with you, they are liberal? Are you saying that if a liberal says 2+2=4, they're wrong, because they are a liberal?

Standard fare here

Not quite, but whatever hyperbole floats your boat.  csaaphill is taking it to extremes.  I would agree with XD2005's assessment of current jurisprudence, and I don't think I have ever been accused of being a liberal.

how is showing truth extreme?
Guess what our forefathers were extremists so ya!

[csaaphill]

BTW Shall not be infringed also means private sectore not just Gov Regualtion!

You may wish this to be the case, and I might share your sentiment.  But as a statement of how jurisprudence has sorted out the balance of private property rights versus other rights, including the Second Amendment, this clearly is not the case.

You probably owe XD2005 an apology for correctly stating what is, rather than stating what you assumed he would like it to be.

 

maybe but they are were wrong the bill of rights should of never been pitted agianst others.
Yes we know the tenth amendment stated that rights not enumerated in the bill of rights belong to the states, but truth has been lost. Only stating the truth if that's extreme then so beit but you can't argue for all I've shown and stated were truths of what our forefathers stated.

[csaaphill]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

noticed you said somehing about advice sorry ya caught up in the situation. Take Campmeats lawyer and run with it if there is any kind of case go for it.
I too have kind of befreinded a gun lawyer or one I think would represent me if I for some odd reason have a boat accident and anything I might have had gets lost in the swamp or something
that's why no more Repubs and democraps for me either Libertarians or constitutional candidates!

[bowbuild]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

No one but the thief took your gun.  You were fired for breaking company rules on company property, and your only defense seems to be is that private companies are not private companies and private (or privately controlled) property is not, because of "help" they may or may not receive from the Government.

What am I missing?

WOW, four pages and counting. 

First off sorry for you losing your firearm and your job.  Times are tough enough wihtout making it worse. 

I don't blame you for being irritated, you should be.  You should be irritated that something so simple as following the rules associated with your employment has cost you your job and your livelihood. 

Q:  Does your former employer drug test? 

Q:  Does your former employer do back ground checks?   

Q:  Would you have objected to anyone losing their job for failing to pass those tests? 

Q:  How about your employers rules about calling in sick? 

Why just this rule, the gun rule?  Why is it that this  "CONDITION" of your employment doesn't apply when all the others do? 

Something to think about. 
I once sold some stuff on Craigslist.  When the guy buying my old hunting boat showed up he accidentally showed his carry pistol on his hip.  I stopped him at the driveway and instructed him to move over to the fence and clear his pistol before coming any further.  My property my rules.  To his credit he complied and we did business.  If he had failed to I would have ordered him off my property and if he argued had him arrested.

Place blame where it needs to be placed.  If you hadn't failed to follow company policy you would not have lost your job.  Sucks but true.  We all make mistakes, and sometimes they jump up and bite us in the ass.  Luckily every job I ever lost led to a better job down the line.  Good luck to you.

You know your right they have drug testing yet when somebody I know failed she kept her job.  I have heard other stories of it too.  Some of the bosses involvements.  Its all politics.  I had only had the job for about a month.  They were supposed to have security in the parking lot.  They do just not on my shift. “There weren't enough people there.”  But I'm not allowed carry.  I got a really good idea here if you don't like it stop reading it.  I was trying to get some advice not listen to you preach your version of how you think it goes.  Unfortunately there is a lot to this.

Anything in your paperwork from your employer that stated that YOUR personal property would receieve "reasonable" protection from vandalism?  You need to rethink how you attack this if you are going to try. First if there is a security company, they should log what times they are there, and were they logging their times?? Was there security cameras on the building, or other buildings that you could get info from? If so, you may be able to find out whether the time of the break in accurred in the time frame the security officer should have, and logged he was on site.....hell you may find the idiot that stole it.

You by the slimmest chance in hell with paperwork to back you up be able to prove the employer themselves is to blame for lack of security......and therefore.....but it is a slim chance in hell.


Bowbuild

[huntingaddiction]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

No one but the thief took your gun.  You were fired for breaking company rules on company property, and your only defense seems to be is that private companies are not private companies and private (or privately controlled) property is not, because of "help" they may or may not receive from the Government.

What am I missing?

WOW, four pages and counting. 

First off sorry for you losing your firearm and your job.  Times are tough enough wihtout making it worse. 

I don't blame you for being irritated, you should be.  You should be irritated that something so simple as following the rules associated with your employment has cost you your job and your livelihood. 

Q:  Does your former employer drug test? 

Q:  Does your former employer do back ground checks?   

Q:  Would you have objected to anyone losing their job for failing to pass those tests? 

Q:  How about your employers rules about calling in sick? 

Why just this rule, the gun rule?  Why is it that this  "CONDITION" of your employment doesn't apply when all the others do? 

Something to think about. 
I once sold some stuff on Craigslist.  When the guy buying my old hunting boat showed up he accidentally showed his carry pistol on his hip.  I stopped him at the driveway and instructed him to move over to the fence and clear his pistol before coming any further.  My property my rules.  To his credit he complied and we did business.  If he had failed to I would have ordered him off my property and if he argued had him arrested.

Place blame where it needs to be placed.  If you hadn't failed to follow company policy you would not have lost your job.  Sucks but true.  We all make mistakes, and sometimes they jump up and bite us in the ass.  Luckily every job I ever lost led to a better job down the line.  Good luck to you.

You know your right they have drug testing yet when somebody I know failed she kept her job.  I have heard other stories of it too.  Some of the bosses involvements.  Its all politics.  I had only had the job for about a month.  They were supposed to have security in the parking lot.  They do just not on my shift. “There weren't enough people there.”  But I'm not allowed carry.  I got a really good idea here if you don't like it stop reading it.  I was trying to get some advice not listen to you preach your version of how you think it goes.  Unfortunately there is a lot to this.

Anything in your paperwork from your employer that stated that YOUR personal property would receieve "reasonable" protection from vandalism?  You need to rethink how you attack this if you are going to try. First if there is a security company, they should log what times they are there, and were they logging their times?? Was there security cameras on the building, or other buildings that you could get info from? If so, you may be able to find out whether the time of the break in accurred in the time frame the security officer should have, and logged he was on site.....hell you may find the idiot that stole it.

You by the slimmest chance in hell with paperwork to back you up be able to prove the employer themselves is to blame for lack of security......and therefore.....but it is a slim chance in hell.


Bowbuild

Well they have security cameras but when I asked about those told me they wouldn't look at them because I broke the policy.

[huntingaddiction]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

No one but the thief took your gun.  You were fired for breaking company rules on company property, and your only defense seems to be is that private companies are not private companies and private (or privately controlled) property is not, because of "help" they may or may not receive from the Government.

What am I missing?

WOW, four pages and counting. 

First off sorry for you losing your firearm and your job.  Times are tough enough wihtout making it worse. 

I don't blame you for being irritated, you should be.  You should be irritated that something so simple as following the rules associated with your employment has cost you your job and your livelihood. 

Q:  Does your former employer drug test? 

Q:  Does your former employer do back ground checks?   

Q:  Would you have objected to anyone losing their job for failing to pass those tests? 

Q:  How about your employers rules about calling in sick? 

Why just this rule, the gun rule?  Why is it that this  "CONDITION" of your employment doesn't apply when all the others do? 

Something to think about. 
I once sold some stuff on Craigslist.  When the guy buying my old hunting boat showed up he accidentally showed his carry pistol on his hip.  I stopped him at the driveway and instructed him to move over to the fence and clear his pistol before coming any further.  My property my rules.  To his credit he complied and we did business.  If he had failed to I would have ordered him off my property and if he argued had him arrested.

Place blame where it needs to be placed.  If you hadn't failed to follow company policy you would not have lost your job.  Sucks but true.  We all make mistakes, and sometimes they jump up and bite us in the ass.  Luckily every job I ever lost led to a better job down the line.  Good luck to you.

You know your right they have drug testing yet when somebody I know failed she kept her job.  I have heard other stories of it too.  Some of the bosses involvements.  Its all politics.  I had only had the job for about a month.  They were supposed to have security in the parking lot.  They do just not on my shift. “There weren't enough people there.”  But I'm not allowed carry.  I got a really good idea here if you don't like it stop reading it.  I was trying to get some advice not listen to you preach your version of how you think it goes.  Unfortunately there is a lot to this.

Anything in your paperwork from your employer that stated that YOUR personal property would receieve "reasonable" protection from vandalism?  You need to rethink how you attack this if you are going to try. First if there is a security company, they should log what times they are there, and were they logging their times?? Was there security cameras on the building, or other buildings that you could get info from? If so, you may be able to find out whether the time of the break in accurred in the time frame the security officer should have, and logged he was on site.....hell you may find the idiot that stole it.

You by the slimmest chance in hell with paperwork to back you up be able to prove the employer themselves is to blame for lack of security......and therefore.....but it is a slim chance in hell.


Bowbuild

Well they have security cameras but when I asked about those told me they wouldn't look at them because I broke the policy.

[sakoshooter]

I remember reading something similar a few years ago and the NRA got involved - ended up that locked in the vehicle at work doesn't violate company policies if memory serves. Contact the NRA and ask what can be done. Couldn't hurt.

[Fl0und3rz]

Not quite, but whatever hyperbole floats your boat.  csaaphill is taking it to extremes.  I would agree with XD2005's assessment of current jurisprudence, and I don't think I have ever been accused of being a liberal.

how is showing truth extreme?
Guess what our forefathers were extremists so ya!

1. You saying that whoever disagrees with you is a liberal is extreme.
2. Your truth does not jive with objective reality. But you refuse to entertain that you are mistaken.
3. While it is clearly your wish (and mine, to some extent) that what you describe be the state of affairs, you don't recognize it as a wish. 
4. Yes, our forefathers were extremist, and we are the beneficiaries of their extremism.  But that still does not make your reference to them anything more than a strawman.  Nor does it make the argument - that what you wish the state of affairs to be is ACTUALLY the state of affairs - anything more than a non sequitor.
5.  Some states have laws that prevent employers from making policy about storing lawful guns in locked cars in their parking lots.  See TX.  WA does not. 

http://www.cozen.com/cozendocs/Outgoing/alerts/2013/Guns_in_Workplace_Chart.pdf

6.  It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift

http://www.littler.com/files/press/pdf/Mathiason-Milano-Bring-Gun-Work-June-2013.pdf

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

I'm sorry you are irritated.  You seem to think it's a good idea to fight, centered on a 2A infringement argument.  People who follow such things are giving you their opinion on such things.   It's a stretch to say that people who believe you have a loser argument would knuckle under in the face of mass door-to-door confiscations.   

Read the second link and recognize this: If the 2A is absolute over private property rights (re: guns in parking lots) why would states need to be passing additional protections for gun owners (where WA has not)?

Good luck to you as you move forward with whatever course.

[bowbuild]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

No one but the thief took your gun.  You were fired for breaking company rules on company property, and your only defense seems to be is that private companies are not private companies and private (or privately controlled) property is not, because of "help" they may or may not receive from the Government.

What am I missing?

WOW, four pages and counting. 

First off sorry for you losing your firearm and your job.  Times are tough enough wihtout making it worse. 

I don't blame you for being irritated, you should be.  You should be irritated that something so simple as following the rules associated with your employment has cost you your job and your livelihood. 

Q:  Does your former employer drug test? 

Q:  Does your former employer do back ground checks?   

Q:  Would you have objected to anyone losing their job for failing to pass those tests? 

Q:  How about your employers rules about calling in sick? 

Why just this rule, the gun rule?  Why is it that this  "CONDITION" of your employment doesn't apply when all the others do? 

Something to think about. 
I once sold some stuff on Craigslist.  When the guy buying my old hunting boat showed up he accidentally showed his carry pistol on his hip.  I stopped him at the driveway and instructed him to move over to the fence and clear his pistol before coming any further.  My property my rules.  To his credit he complied and we did business.  If he had failed to I would have ordered him off my property and if he argued had him arrested.

Place blame where it needs to be placed.  If you hadn't failed to follow company policy you would not have lost your job.  Sucks but true.  We all make mistakes, and sometimes they jump up and bite us in the ass.  Luckily every job I ever lost led to a better job down the line.  Good luck to you.

You know your right they have drug testing yet when somebody I know failed she kept her job.  I have heard other stories of it too.  Some of the bosses involvements.  Its all politics.  I had only had the job for about a month.  They were supposed to have security in the parking lot.  They do just not on my shift. “There weren't enough people there.”  But I'm not allowed carry.  I got a really good idea here if you don't like it stop reading it.  I was trying to get some advice not listen to you preach your version of how you think it goes.  Unfortunately there is a lot to this.

Anything in your paperwork from your employer that stated that YOUR personal property would receieve "reasonable" protection from vandalism?  You need to rethink how you attack this if you are going to try. First if there is a security company, they should log what times they are there, and were they logging their times?? Was there security cameras on the building, or other buildings that you could get info from? If so, you may be able to find out whether the time of the break in accurred in the time frame the security officer should have, and logged he was on site.....hell you may find the idiot that stole it.

You by the slimmest chance in hell with paperwork to back you up be able to prove the employer themselves is to blame for lack of security......and therefore.....but it is a slim chance in hell.


Bowbuild

Well they have security cameras but when I asked about those told me they wouldn't look at them because I broke the policy.

So I suspect they "may" have evidence of a federal crime, and the police don't have access?? Something is fishy here. Contact the police department and find out whether they have a copy of the video......if they do, they (the police) I would think would want you to see it so you possibly could ID the person in question. The company has NO RIGHTS as far as I know to keep possible evidence from a active investigation....infact that I believe is a crimminal act itself.

I would contact a lawyer, and bring EVERYTHING you have, and let him/her figure it out.

[BIGINNER]

does the employee handbook specifically restrict having a firearm in your car? Or does it only restrict having a gun with you?  There is a difference.

[Russ McDonald]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

No one but the thief took your gun.  You were fired for breaking company rules on company property, and your only defense seems to be is that private companies are not private companies and private (or privately controlled) property is not, because of "help" they may or may not receive from the Government.

What am I missing?

WOW, four pages and counting. 

First off sorry for you losing your firearm and your job.  Times are tough enough wihtout making it worse. 

I don't blame you for being irritated, you should be.  You should be irritated that something so simple as following the rules associated with your employment has cost you your job and your livelihood. 

Q:  Does your former employer drug test? 

Q:  Does your former employer do back ground checks?   

Q:  Would you have objected to anyone losing their job for failing to pass those tests? 

Q:  How about your employers rules about calling in sick? 

Why just this rule, the gun rule?  Why is it that this  "CONDITION" of your employment doesn't apply when all the others do? 

Something to think about. 
I once sold some stuff on Craigslist.  When the guy buying my old hunting boat showed up he accidentally showed his carry pistol on his hip.  I stopped him at the driveway and instructed him to move over to the fence and clear his pistol before coming any further.  My property my rules.  To his credit he complied and we did business.  If he had failed to I would have ordered him off my property and if he argued had him arrested.

Place blame where it needs to be placed.  If you hadn't failed to follow company policy you would not have lost your job.  Sucks but true.  We all make mistakes, and sometimes they jump up and bite us in the ass.  Luckily every job I ever lost led to a better job down the line.  Good luck to you.

You know your right they have drug testing yet when somebody I know failed she kept her job.  I have heard other stories of it too.  Some of the bosses involvements.  Its all politics.  I had only had the job for about a month.  They were supposed to have security in the parking lot.  They do just not on my shift. “There weren't enough people there.”  But I'm not allowed carry.  I got a really good idea here if you don't like it stop reading it.  I was trying to get some advice not listen to you preach your version of how you think it goes.  Unfortunately there is a lot to this.

Anything in your paperwork from your employer that stated that YOUR personal property would receieve "reasonable" protection from vandalism?  You need to rethink how you attack this if you are going to try. First if there is a security company, they should log what times they are there, and were they logging their times?? Was there security cameras on the building, or other buildings that you could get info from? If so, you may be able to find out whether the time of the break in accurred in the time frame the security officer should have, and logged he was on site.....hell you may find the idiot that stole it.

You by the slimmest chance in hell with paperwork to back you up be able to prove the employer themselves is to blame for lack of security......and therefore.....but it is a slim chance in hell.


Bowbuild

Well they have security cameras but when I asked about those told me they wouldn't look at them because I broke the policy.

So I suspect they "may" have evidence of a federal crime, and the police don't have access?? Something is fishy here. Contact the police department and find out whether they have a copy of the video......if they do, they (the police) I would think would want you to see it so you possibly could ID the person in question. The company has NO RIGHTS as far as I know to keep possible evidence from a active investigation....infact that I believe is a crimminal act itself.

I would contact a lawyer, and bring EVERYTHING you have, and let him/her figure it out.

Very much agree with that.

[Dan-o]

OK your right you asked questions.  I am just a little irritated.  You know you come on this site for this kind of issue you would think you have some support.  What I see for the most part is a bunch of gun owners with no backbone.  The cops will show up to your door and take your guns.  Not me.

noticed you said somehing about advice sorry ya caught up in the situation. Take Campmeats lawyer and run with it if there is any kind of case go for it.
I too have kind of befreinded a gun lawyer or one I think would represent me if I for some odd reason have a boat accident and anything I might have had gets lost in the swamp or something
that's why no more Repubs and democraps for me either Libertarians or constitutional candidates!

You crack me up.....    touting your Libertarianism, because you think you should be able to impose your will by walking onto my private property armed even if I don't want you on my property that way.

Meanwhile, you could care less about my private property rights.    Nothing like selectively  choosing who's rights to protect.

And none of your quotes from the founders suggest that a man should be free to walk armed onto another man's property against that man's will.......   Unless you willfully choose to misread them in a delusional manner.

[huntingaddiction]

I am getting a lawyer if for nothing else the video.  In a twisted turn of events I have an itching suspicion it was somebody from inside the company.  In which case this could get horrible.

[Knocker of rocks]

In which case this could get horrible.

How could it get horrible?

[huntingaddiction]

For them.