No more general ML elk for me.

[Griz231]

I think the advanced guns and tech allowing 100-200yard shots is what destroyed the front stuffers.  Either restrict the guns or the seasons.  I dont know but its alot different then when I used the old cva kentucky long.  100 yard shot was max. Seasons and units seem to get worse every cycle for powder.

I agree, change the muzzle to round ball old school no scope.  I'd go back to muzzy if that was the case.  Used to hunt it then too many pumpkins started showing up. Archery is getting more and more crowded every year too.

The good thing about the seasons getting more and more crowded is that hunting is alive and well and all these yuppies trying to shut it down are failing. We all need to continue to teach our kids and the young generation about ethical hunting and to respect the woods so that their kids and generations to come can enjoy it.

Ok, I'm loading the truck and gonna go kill me a doe! 

[washelkhunter]

I think the advanced guns and tech allowing 100-200yard shots is what destroyed the front stuffers.  Either restrict the guns or the seasons.  I dont know but its alot different then when I used the old cva kentucky long.  100 yard shot was max. Seasons and units seem to get worse every cycle for powder.

I agree, change the muzzle to round ball old school no scope.  I'd go back to muzzy if that was the case.  Used to hunt it then too many pumpkins started showing up. Archery is getting more and more crowded every year too.

The good thing about the seasons getting more and more crowded is that hunting is alive and well and all these yuppies trying to shut it down are failing. We all need to continue to teach our kids and the young generation about ethical hunting and to respect the woods so that their kids and generations to come can enjoy it.

Ok, I'm loading the truck and gonna go kill me a doe!

I would like to see a PW season, Primitive Weapons. Side lock muzzys with iron sights and round ball only. Wood recurves and longbows. consign the the compounds to MF but give them a 4 day head start. PW season to run from Sept 8th to Oct1st.   

[washelkhunter]

I think the advanced guns and tech allowing 100-200yard shots is what destroyed the front stuffers.  Either restrict the guns or the seasons.  I dont know but its alot different then when I used the old cva kentucky long.  100 yard shot was max. Seasons and units seem to get worse every cycle for powder.

I agree, change the muzzle to round ball old school no scope.  I'd go back to muzzy if that was the case.  Used to hunt it then too many pumpkins started showing up. Archery is getting more and more crowded every year too.

The good thing about the seasons getting more and more crowded is that hunting is alive and well and all these yuppies trying to shut it down are failing. We all need to continue to teach our kids and the young generation about ethical hunting and to respect the woods so that their kids and generations to come can enjoy it.

Ok, I'm loading the truck and gonna go kill me a doe!

I would like to see a PW season, Primitive Weapons. Side lock muzzys with iron sights and round ball only. Wood recurves and longbows. consign the the compounds to MF but give them a 4 day head start. PW season to run from Sept 8th to Oct1st.   

[Griz231]

I think the advanced guns and tech allowing 100-200yard shots is what destroyed the front stuffers.  Either restrict the guns or the seasons.  I dont know but its alot different then when I used the old cva kentucky long.  100 yard shot was max. Seasons and units seem to get worse every cycle for powder.

I agree, change the muzzle to round ball old school no scope.  I'd go back to muzzy if that was the case.  Used to hunt it then too many pumpkins started showing up. Archery is getting more and more crowded every year too.

The good thing about the seasons getting more and more crowded is that hunting is alive and well and all these yuppies trying to shut it down are failing. We all need to continue to teach our kids and the young generation about ethical hunting and to respect the woods so that their kids and generations to come can enjoy it.

Ok, I'm loading the truck and gonna go kill me a doe!

I would like to see a PW season, Primitive Weapons. Side lock muzzys with iron sights and round ball only. Wood recurves and longbows. consign the the compounds to MF but give them a 4 day head start. PW season to run from Sept 8th to Oct1st.   

Not a bad idea.  The other thing it would do is to encourage the kids to use PW and keep that stuff alive.

[Russ McDonald]

I think the advanced guns and tech allowing 100-200yard shots is what destroyed the front stuffers.  Either restrict the guns or the seasons.  I dont know but its alot different then when I used the old cva kentucky long.  100 yard shot was max. Seasons and units seem to get worse every cycle for powder.

I agree, change the muzzle to round ball old school no scope.  I'd go back to muzzy if that was the case.  Used to hunt it then too many pumpkins started showing up. Archery is getting more and more crowded every year too.

The good thing about the seasons getting more and more crowded is that hunting is alive and well and all these yuppies trying to shut it down are failing. We all need to continue to teach our kids and the young generation about ethical hunting and to respect the woods so that their kids and generations to come can enjoy it.

Ok, I'm loading the truck and gonna go kill me a doe!

You do know that you can't use a scope at all on any ML in WA while hunting deer or elk.  Plus you can't use 209 primers.  Have to use 10 or 11 caps.  Granted the inlines are still more technical then the old school side locks but shooting out there to 200 yards with open sights is a little crazy for sure.

[Yelper Guy]

You do know that you can't use a scope at all on any ML in WA while hunting deer or elk.

Hopefully he does now!

[gee_unit360]

Can't you use musket caps as well as 10 and 11 caps?

[Russ McDonald]

Can't you use musket caps as well as 10 and 11 caps?

Forgot to add that yes you can.  You could go crazy on your ML is your using it during MF season though.  Wide open with 209 caps and scopes.

[BOHNTR]

In line Muzzys are nothing new they have been around for a long time... what about the High tech archery gear it's not any different.
Just don't understand how stick shooters can get 2 weeks to hunt and ML only get 7. 

[logger]

I haven't been muzzy hunting for all that long but I do really like it EXCEPT for the crap units and season length and permit options!  Seriously though when I started eastside elk there was a late season and cow area's, man has that went south!I have since swithched to westside which permit wise is still very nill for qaulity units.

[Soady]

In line Muzzys are nothing new they have been around for a long time... what about the High tech archery gear it's not any different.
Just don't understand how stick shooters can get 2 weeks to hunt and ML only get 7. 

There is a greater coalition of archers banding together and petitioning WDFW for seasons and units. Muzzleloaders have never been that strong as there are the two camps of old school primitive and new school inline shooters quibbling over which one should be the dominate driving force to define the muzzleloading future. Try joining  any muzzleloading club with an inline modern muzzleloader and you will soon know that this is the case. Although you could save yourself some trouble by just rereading this thread.

[Soady]

Just don't understand how stick shooters can get 2 weeks to hunt and ML only get 7. 

7 weeks or days?

[BOHNTR]

 7 days, but you're right there are too many that want to fight amongst each other, when in lines and "traditional" muzzle loaders both load the same way.
In line muzzle loaders have been around for hundreds of years.
Check the Buffalo Bill gun museum in Cody, Wyoming there you will see many in lines that are very primitive.
I think that it's Idaho or Colorado next year for me.

[Jonathan_S]

I think the advanced guns and tech allowing 100-200yard shots is what destroyed the front stuffers.  Either restrict the guns or the seasons.  I dont know but its alot different then when I used the old cva kentucky long.  100 yard shot was max. Seasons and units seem to get worse every cycle for powder.

I agree, change the muzzle to round ball old school no scope.  I'd go back to muzzy if that was the case.  Used to hunt it then too many pumpkins started showing up. Archery is getting more and more crowded every year too.

The good thing about the seasons getting more and more crowded is that hunting is alive and well and all these yuppies trying to shut it down are failing. We all need to continue to teach our kids and the young generation about ethical hunting and to respect the woods so that their kids and generations to come can enjoy it.

Ok, I'm loading the truck and gonna go kill me a doe!

I would like to see a PW season, Primitive Weapons. Side lock muzzys with iron sights and round ball only. Wood recurves and longbows. consign the the compounds to MF but give them a 4 day head start. PW season to run from Sept 8th to Oct1st.   

Compounds to MF?  Glad you're not in charge

[Bean Counter]

I left WA and don't miss seeing 3x the amount of hunters to elk. Where I live now I can get a tag every 4-7 years and hunt 30-40:100 bull to cow herds as well as see hardly any other hunters. 300"+ bulls all over.