Long shot anybody?????

[rougheye]

ETHICS, ETHICS. STICK THROWERS WEAR SCENT-LOK CLOTHING, USE TREE STANDS AND COVER SCENT, BAIT BLOCKS, ECT. HOW IS THAT MORE FAIR THAN A LONG RANGE SHOT THROUGH A TARGETS VITALS? YOU GUYS CAN DO WHAT GETS YOU OFF AND WE LONG RANGE BOMBERS WILL KEEP KILLING THE STUFF YOU CAN'T GET TO.

 WOW , last i checked rifle hunters are aloud to use all that stuff too .  But to each his own , if thats huntin to you than all right .  To me it is the thrill of the chase and duping a big buck on his own turf . Usually that means getting within 30-40 yards . I know it is hard to put it all together that close but that is what i enjoy about hunting . I dint punch my deer tag this year for the first time in a long time but i sure had fun trying . It was a succesful year of hunting for me . When i do get a deer  , i dont marvil at my shot because its the hunt for me .  

[AOD]

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT "RIFLE HUNTERS" HERE. YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO BAD MOUTH LONG RANGE HUNTING. ITS FUNNY, I HUNT BLACKTAIL DEER. THE ONLY SPECIES OF DEER I HAVE HARVESTED. 90% HAVE BEEN INSIDE OF 75 YARDS AND SCENT-LOK CLOTHING WASN'T NECESSARY OR USED IN ANY OF THE DOZEN + KILLS. YOU GUYS DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE YOU HAPPY, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY. DON'T KNOCK IT UNTIL YOU TRY IT, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT YOU SHOULD'NT.

[Intruder]

There are a handful of guys out there who are extremely good hunters and who have the skill to shoot long range.  I realize it's not everyone's cup of tea but it's not really fair to categorically lump everyone who shoots long range into the group of unethical slobs.  I personally know a guy who is an excellent hunter who routinely kills animals at long range.  He's a frickin elk killing machine.... Trust me, just getting to the places where he takes long shots would truly test many of us.  

I do think that there are far too many guys shooting beyond their capabilities be it w/ bow or rifle.  Yes the super mags unfortunately make many guys feel they are more capable just as the 320 fps bows do too.  Under no circumstance is there any substitute for practice and conservative judgement.      

[JoshT]

Ehtics = projectile through the lungs... don't matter how it gets there. Long bow at 4 yards or 208 A-Max at 1k... as long as there's a hole through the clockwork... we're good.

Misses happen, I know... I have one! But bad hits are bad hits no matter the weapon or the range. I spend more time shooting my .300 RUM  every year than all the hunters I know combined spend at the range. I shoot at long range, out to 1K or so... and I know that anything within about 1/2 a mile is in serious jeopardy of getting clobbered. I also feel that I'm much more in-touch with my limitations than the average guy... I understand the effects of wind, elevation, barometric pressure, humidity, and shot angles. I know how hard my rifle hits stuff at 600, 800, and 1000... does you average hunter have a grasp on any of those things? I think not... yet it's perfectly acceptable for some Wal-Mart warrior to huck rounds at a running deer with a bore-sighted rifle... just because it's inside of some arbitrary distance that someone has deemed acceptable? In the words of Keshawn Johnson... COME ON MAN!

Having the sand to pass on a shot that's even remotely questionable, no matter the range or weapon, seperates the real hunters from the deuche bags... I think most of us could use a little work in that area... I know I could.

[Ray]

... AND SCENT-LOK CLOTHING WASN'T NECESSARY

I didn't know scent-lok was part of the topic. But I think you were the one which alluded to some sort of aggravated comments towards archers. I think that instead of getting your point across you will alienate some people. I don't use special clothings, except to keep me warm and more dry so I suppose I measure up to your "standard" in one regard. Not that it matters to me much though.

It's important to note that many people harvest record animals using a variety of tactics. Still... Is using scent lok really a step backwards from shooting deer at say 1000 meters? I think you will have a hard time finding a large audience when comparing those items.

However I do believe that there is a greater likelihood of injuring an animal the farther the shot becomes. I would also venture to say that at some point it might just be called target shooting as opposed to hunting as well. Whatever it is - I won't shoot a deer beyond 300 yards with my rifle setup. But that doesn't mean I am an undisciplined simpleton incapable of shooting things farther than that.

Cheers

[Intruder]

Ehtics = projectile through the lungs... don't matter how it gets there. Long bow at 4 yards or 208 A-Max at 1k... as long as there's a hole through the clockwork... we're good.

Misses happen, I know... I have one! But bad hits are bad hits no matter the weapon or the range. I spend more time shooting my .300 RUM  every year than all the hunters I know combined spend at the range. I shoot at long range, out to 1K or so... and I know that anything within about 1/2 a mile is in serious jeopardy of getting clobbered. I also feel that I'm much more in-touch with my limitations than the average guy... I understand the effects of wind, elevation, barometric pressure, humidity, and shot angles. I know how hard my rifle hits stuff at 600, 800, and 1000... does you average hunter have a grasp on any of those things? I think not... yet it's perfectly acceptable for some Wal-Mart warrior to huck rounds at a running deer with a bore-sighted rifle... just because it's inside of some arbitrary distance that someone has deemed acceptable? In the words of Keshawn Johnson... COME ON MAN!

Having the sand to pass on a shot that's even remotely questionable, no matter the range or weapon, seperates the real hunters from the deuche bags... I think most of us could use a little work in that area... I know I could.

well said.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT "RIFLE HUNTERS" HERE. YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO BAD MOUTH LONG RANGE HUNTING. ITS FUNNY, I HUNT BLACKTAIL DEER. THE ONLY SPECIES OF DEER I HAVE HARVESTED. 90% HAVE BEEN INSIDE OF 75 YARDS AND SCENT-LOK CLOTHING WASN'T NECESSARY OR USED IN ANY OF THE DOZEN + KILLS. YOU GUYS DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE YOU HAPPY, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY. DON'T KNOCK IT UNTIL YOU TRY IT, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT YOU SHOULD'NT.

 


it wasnt needed? what exactly makes you form that opinion? because it stood there long enough for you to shoot it? how was the wind those days, if your wind is blowing in your face it makes it much easier for all of us, also I have no desire to try it, I like to be able to be close to the game I take, on thier turf.... nothing at all seems fun about glassing and shooting game from that far...

[rougheye]

YEA i dont really get the whole SCENT - LOCK thing either      Im also confused about you saying

ETHICS, ETHICS. STICK THROWERS WEAR SCENT-LOK CLOTHING, USE TREE STANDS AND COVER SCENT, BAIT BLOCKS, ECT. HOW IS THAT MORE FAIR THAN A LONG RANGE SHOT THROUGH A TARGETS VITALS? YOU GUYS CAN DO WHAT GETS YOU OFF AND WE LONG RANGE BOMBERS WILL KEEP KILLING THE STUFF YOU CAN'T GET TO.

 


  Are you a long range bomber or do you kill 90% at 75 yards ?

[KillBilly]

What I find amazing is that there has not been any mention of anyone breaking a law, doing anything unethical, practicing unsafe weapon handling, etc.

It has been all about everyone being an individual and Hunting as they chose within all legal and safety boundaries. What is there to criticize anyone about?

Absolutely nothing.

It is perfectly allowable and encouraged for all of you to express your opinions and personal ethics.

It goes beyond reason to try and force your methods on anyone else unless they ask you to mentor them.
There have been some uncivil comments made and that is uncalled for. We are all Gentlemen or Ladies and we all have a love for a Grand Sport.

It would virtually impossible to find any sport where all players act identical and are endowed with equal skills.

Hunting is no different let's enjoy it and enjoy each other.

[M_59]

I know "hunters" that couldn't put 19/20 shots on a paper plate at 100 yds. From a rest no less. So does that make them "better" more "ethical" hunters than the precision shooters that can drop one at a 1000 yds?

[AOD]

"YOU GUYS DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE YOU HAPPY, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY. DON'T KNOCK IT UNTIL YOU TRY IT, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT YOU SHOULD'NT."

I HUNT. I ENJOY ALL METHODS OF HUNTING. I REALLY ENJOY LONG RANGE SHOOTING AND HUNTING. BUT THE BIGGEST PART OF HUNTING TO ME IS THE KILL. AND MY FAVORITE WAY TO KILL IS BEING A LONG WAYS AWAY FROM THE TARGET.

[KillBilly]

I know "hunters" that couldn't put 19/20 shots on a paper plate at 100 yds. From a rest no less. So does that make them "better" more "ethical" hunters than the precision shooters that can drop one at a 1000 yds?

Is that a rhetorical question? I hope you know the answer

[rougheye]

"YOU GUYS DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE YOU HAPPY, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY. DON'T KNOCK IT UNTIL YOU TRY IT, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT YOU SHOULD'NT."

I HUNT. I ENJOY ALL METHODS OF HUNTING. I REALLY ENJOY LONG RANGE SHOOTING AND HUNTING. BUT THE BIGGEST PART OF HUNTING TO ME IS THE KILL. AND MY FAVORITE WAY TO KILL IS BEING A LONG WAYS AWAY FROM THE TARGET.

     than why hunt blacktails and shoot 90 % at 75 yards or less ?      

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

"YOU GUYS DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE YOU HAPPY, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT MAKES ME HAPPY. DON'T KNOCK IT UNTIL YOU TRY IT, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT YOU SHOULD'NT."

I HUNT. I ENJOY ALL METHODS OF HUNTING. I REALLY ENJOY LONG RANGE SHOOTING AND HUNTING. BUT THE BIGGEST PART OF HUNTING TO ME IS THE KILL. AND MY FAVORITE WAY TO KILL IS BEING A LONG WAYS AWAY FROM THE TARGET.

thats a interesting statemnt, to me you sound like its all ego.. if hunting is only about the kill then I think you are in the wrong sport., that mentailty to me could be summed up if you liked to fish, its all about the catch, I could see somone with that mindset fishing at a stocked trout pond and posting the pics, its all about the catch..... hunting is far more the the kill, or at least IMO it should be, its about time in the outdoors, working hard to scout, set up cams, and learn and respect the game we all love... but if its just about killing then I can see why your a "long range bomber" thats the easiest way to "KILL" and requires the least effort.. no need to stalk when its 2 canyons over......just   

[huntnphool]

90% HAVE BEEN INSIDE OF 75 YARDS AND SCENT-LOK CLOTHING WASN'T NECESSARY OR USED IN ANY OF THE DOZEN + KILLS.

Well from someone that has never harvested a blacktail, I would sure like to see the pics of your dozen+ kills.

On a side note, welcome to the site and just an FYI "All Caps" generally denotes yelling, any chance of getting you to hit your "caps lock" button