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Offline James

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How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« on: December 15, 2014, 09:26:18 AM »
I have always hunted in state due to tag cost and scouting logistics issues. The only way I have been successful with big game is lots and lots of scouting. I do plenty of virtual scouting (topo maps, aerial photos, etc.), but I still have always needed to burn a lot of boot leather.   Living in western WA, and trying to scout Montana or Idaho doesn’t seem very feasible.  I would burn up all my vacation simply scouting and not be able to hunt. So I am interested to see how other guys made the leap.

The reason for this is because I had a great year this season, and my father, who now in his 60’s and haven’t hunted in decades, has gotten really excited and is considering hunting next year. He is not in the sort of shape to hunt my areas, and doesn’t like hunting near lots of people so proposed trying to hunt out of state in hope for more animals, less hiking needed, and lower hunter densities.

It would be really cool to put this father son hunting trip together so I was hoping to get on pro tips on how others started off doing public land hunts out of state. Most likely we will start off targeting deer.

Thanks guys!
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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2014, 09:34:44 AM »
 Jump in with both feet, pun intended ;) Buy a tag and learn as you hunt/hike, just as you did in Washington, I'm sure that is how most on here figured out their spots.

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2014, 09:40:05 AM »
Learn what you can in advance from the Internet, Google Earth, maps, talking with bios and former tag holders, etc.  But in the end, I always figure the first couple days of a new area will be scouting with a tag in my pocket.  To me, that's a huge part of the fun and challenge.  You never know what you might find just around the next corner. 

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2014, 10:18:52 AM »
Jump in with both feet, pun intended ;) Buy a tag and learn as you hunt/hike, just as you did in Washington, I'm sure that is how most on here figured out their spots.

Indeed it is how I learned my spots here, but many times in the begining in washington that ended up with not seeing much or screwing up the area because I entered it in the wrong way.  Not all scouting trips were successfull. I would hate to put all that work and money into an out of state trip and have it go poorly.

Learn what you can in advance from the Internet, Google Earth, maps, talking with bios and former tag holders, etc.  But in the end, I always figure the first couple days of a new area will be scouting with a tag in my pocket.  To me, that's a huge part of the fun and challenge.  You never know what you might find just around the next corner.

Yeah, and I do that stuff, but even with that I have hit many places that had nothing or just you had to adjust your approach to the area from what looked best on the topo.  Getting that sorted out in scouting has allowed me to take animals, when I haven't I usualy don't see anything or scare many of them off in the first day before I figure it out.
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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2014, 10:31:26 AM »
If you are DIY you run the risk of blowing the whole kit and caboodle, but the reward is fantastic.  You essentially take what you know about game here and apply it there.   If you can read maps, have some basic knowledge, it has always seemed to work out for me.    I have never been much of an internet scouter believe it or not.  Lots of folks use this.   I used magazines and books to learn general areas and herds and went from there.   Huntinfool magazine has good information and is a source.  Eastmans has some stuff.    No matter what state you are in, you will often find that there is someone else in your spot.   Other states aren't always magically better.   Just too many people these days, and the tools used to research seem to make it easy for everyone else as well.   You can dive into the permit game.  Hopefully you have money to burn.  All states are basically moving toward taking your money. 

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 10:38:26 AM »
Looked at success rates for units, aerial imagery, stuff like that. Then I simply hiked up and up till I didn't see people and once I got there I started seeing game. How I did it in Idaho at least. Would see plenty of people down low, not too many where I was.

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 10:39:25 AM »
Dosent really matter what state you go to, what you do here is what you have to do there to be successful.  You might look into a guided or semi guided hunt to accomplish what you are after.  I generally figure it takes at least a couple of years in an area before you can really feel confident in the area.  I promise you  can't expect to internet or magazine scout a new area and really guarantee a great hunt or a dirth of other hunters no matter what state you go to.  Tag soup is not a Washington menu exclusive.

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2014, 10:44:39 AM »
Social networking is huge now.   A lot of folks go that route.   I was lucky, a good friend of mine moved to someplace I wanted to check out.  People of like mind or that can help out and are trustworthy not to blow it for them tend to help get a person on the right track.   Eventhough I am about as unconnected as they come, I was lucky to have met the right folks at the right time through my life, and am trustworthy so that also helped.   Do you have any connections out of state who are willing to help?

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2014, 11:16:32 AM »
The other thing that hasn't been mentioned...it can really help to have a sweet tag! 

Some places are just better than others, and that can really change the learning curve.  Build some points and get a better tag and/or apply for higher demand units in Idaho and NM where they don't have points.

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2014, 11:46:22 AM »
In that situation I'd sure consider a guided hunt.  Unless that's just not your thing...

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2014, 11:59:16 AM »
For a lot of new guys hunting out of state it can be pretty intimidating.  The biggest thing is just do it.  Scouting can be/is overrated anyway.

My personal feeling is that I know how to hunt pretty well and will do pretty well just about anywhere I am at.  If you have been hunting for awhile and have been pretty successful, trust your instinct.  Go to enjoy being out there and don't have any expectations, including shooting the first animal you see.  The first year I would suggest staying somewhat mobile so that you can move to different areas if you need to.       

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2014, 01:27:44 PM »
If you are DIY you run the risk of blowing the whole kit and caboodle, but the reward is fantastic.  You essentially take what you know about game here and apply it there.   If you can read maps, have some basic knowledge, it has always seemed to work out for me.    I have never been much of an internet scouter believe it or not.  Lots of folks use this.   I used magazines and books to learn general areas and herds and went from there.   Huntinfool magazine has good information and is a source.  Eastmans has some stuff.    No matter what state you are in, you will often find that there is someone else in your spot.   Other states aren't always magically better.   Just too many people these days, and the tools used to research seem to make it easy for everyone else as well.   You can dive into the permit game.  Hopefully you have money to burn.  All states are basically moving toward taking your money.

It is comforting to hear that it has worked out for others just doing what they do in their home state.  I know that sounds painfully obvious, but having numbers behind it improves confidence.

Looked at success rates for units, aerial imagery, stuff like that. Then I simply hiked up and up till I didn't see people and once I got there I started seeing game. How I did it in Idaho at least. Would see plenty of people down low, not too many where I was.

Aerial imagery and topo maps are SOP for me anyways, but the next thing I was going to try to dig up is success rates, animal population densities, buck to doe ratios, and hunter densities during hunting seasons. I am hoping like washington they have that data availible.

Dosent really matter what state you go to, what you do here is what you have to do there to be successful.  You might look into a guided or semi guided hunt to accomplish what you are after.  I generally figure it takes at least a couple of years in an area before you can really feel confident in the area.  I promise you  can't expect to internet or magazine scout a new area and really guarantee a great hunt or a dirth of other hunters no matter what state you go to.  Tag soup is not a Washington menu exclusive.

The guided hunting isn't really my thing and I am not looking for the internet or a rag to tell me where to go.  I just know that my methouds for finding game are very time consuming, and I am worried with the extra travel time I will be put at a disadvantage. I am hoping to learn how others made the leap and it sounds like most guys do a little background looking, maybe talk to some friends, but ultimitly just dive in head first.


Social networking is huge now.   A lot of folks go that route.   I was lucky, a good friend of mine moved to someplace I wanted to check out.  People of like mind or that can help out and are trustworthy not to blow it for them tend to help get a person on the right track.   Eventhough I am about as unconnected as they come, I was lucky to have met the right folks at the right time through my life, and am trustworthy so that also helped.   Do you have any connections out of state who are willing to help?

Good call, I have a couple friends that grew up in MT, I should touch base with them.

The other thing that hasn't been mentioned...it can really help to have a sweet tag! 

Yeah, a good tag always helps, I should put more effort into learning everyone elses tag system. 

Some places are just better than others, and that can really change the learning curve.  Build some points and get a better tag and/or apply for higher demand units in Idaho and NM where they don't have points.

I am hoping my looking into success rates, animal population densities, buck to doe ratios, and hunter densities during hunting seasons should help finding a better place.  Of course if you have some honey holes feel free to PM me  :chuckle:

In that situation I'd sure consider a guided hunt.  Unless that's just not your thing...

Yeah, a guided hunt is not my thing really, but I am considering picking up a map from Bearpaw.

For a lot of new guys hunting out of state it can be pretty intimidating.  The biggest thing is just do it.  Scouting can be/is overrated anyway.

My personal feeling is that I know how to hunt pretty well and will do pretty well just about anywhere I am at.  If you have been hunting for awhile and have been pretty successful, trust your instinct.  Go to enjoy being out there and don't have any expectations, including shooting the first animal you see.  The first year I would suggest staying somewhat mobile so that you can move to different areas if you need to.       


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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2014, 01:40:32 PM »
Step one: put the WA state line in your rearview mirror.  :)
Seriously, start with the state wildlife agencies' websites.  Application periods are pretty early in some states, for example nonresident elk in Wyoming closes January 31.  Decide what you want to hunt, and where.  It is much less intimidating to learn one specific area than to try to consider all of the possibilities.  I'd suggest Oregon or Idaho to get your feet wet.  Pick a decent public land area with a decent success rate and decent draw odds (some are OTC, but not many).

If cash is tight, consider a dry run - pick up a small game license, or just go camp and fish in the summer.  This way you wont drop $500-1000 on a big game license and tag combo in unfamiliar area.  Some states offer very inexpensive doe tags, as another option.

Lastly, when you go, LEARN the regulations pertinent to what you will be doing in the selected state.  DON'T assume what is legal at home is legal where you are going.  For simplicity, I would start with large public land areas; odds to hunt them are tougher, but you won't run afoul of private property.  What are the orange requirements?  Tagging?  Evidence of sex?  Hunter safety required?  Carrying hunter safety card required?  Is it a stand-alone license, or do you need specific tags?  Most states will have a list of most-common violations.  When I worked in Wyoming, as an example, you needed a big game license for each animal, but no requirement for a "hunting package" or hunting license.  You also needed a conservation stamp, and if born after January 1, 1966, required to carry on your person your hunter safety card.  To shoot forest grouse, you need to have an upland bird license.  etc.

As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2014, 03:01:08 PM »
Dad took me when I was 15, and I've been hooked ever since.  To Idaho, that is.  That trip we saw every North American big game animal except moose, wolf, and cougar. 

But, sounds like the way I do is the way that you do it.  If you're looking for an easier hunt for an older father (mine is getting up there, too), then maybe whitetail hunting is the way to go.  Find the right spot, and there's much less walking than for high country mule deer. 

At least in my experience. 
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Re: How did you get started out of state big game hunting?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2014, 03:12:46 PM »
Montana is a great place to start, healthy herds for the most part and easy to read regs. Only downside is the tags are not cheap.

 


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