SB 5233 Notice Against Trespass

[bigtex]

The bill had a hearing today. Nobody spoke in opposition. Below is the summarized testimony:

This is a common sense and low-cost solution to posting property. It will work better than signs for non-English speakers. These marks cannot be torn down easily like signs can be. Signs will still be needed at entry points to property. This is working well in other states. The issues that caused this idea to fail last session can be fixed

Were you there yourself?

This may shock you but I wasn't.

You can get the summarized testimony from the legislature website.

[Curly]

I like the idea and support the concept but I can't tell you how many times I have been out and seen flag lines that would easily satisfy this requirement on public lands creating confusion. I have never figured why some people flag the trails they do but I have seen flagging across clearings tied to grass and along obvious trails that offer no chance of getting lost. I would be more in support if I stipulates a flagging tape marked with "No Trespassing". Worded tape is barely more than the cost of regular tape.

The way I read the bill the markings are to be paint lines not flagging/tape.

[huntnphool]

too many laws now too many big land owners taking peoples favorite hunt spots now as it is so heck no!

 Don't like it then purchase the land yourself!

[Curly]

The bill had a hearing today. Nobody spoke in opposition. Below is the summarized testimony:

This is a common sense and low-cost solution to posting property. It will work better than signs for non-English speakers. These marks cannot be torn down easily like signs can be. Signs will still be needed at entry points to property. This is working well in other states. The issues that caused this idea to fail last session can be fixed

I agree with much of the bill like I said before, but in the summary,  the part about the proposal being better for non English speaking people kind of irritates me. I don't think that is valid justification for thus bill.....but maybe that is just me.

[fireweed]

Could work well for small landowners that keep their land for generations.  But big timber is flipping land every couple of years now as a standard practice.  Very hard to undo miles of paint line, so once its posted its probably posted til it's logged.

[CAMPMEAT]

Ranch owner: Pack your stuff boys, we've got 250,000 acres we gotta mark, because of some *censored* politicians who made it a law......


Where do these people come up with this crap..

[headshot5]

I think all 'land posting' signs should bear the land owners name, address and phone number.

Why?

[Bob33]

Very hard to undo miles of paint line, so once its posted its probably posted til it's logged.

Oxy clean.

Where's Billy Mays when we need him?

[headshot5]

Very hard to undo miles of paint line, so once its posted its probably posted til it's logged.

Not really.  Just use some brown or olive drab paint over the top and walla.  No more orange paint. 

[509]

I think all 'land posting' signs should bear the land owners name, address and phone number.

Why?

As a professional Forester that has worked for both public and private the amount of public land that is posted as private is very high.  Requiring the landowners name and address or phone number would eliminate almost all the illegal posting of public land.

Couple of comments.  There are no standards for paint colors across agencies or private landowners.  So they vary.  Both private and public Foresters use blue paint for cut tree marking.  In Idaho we did use ORANGE to make timber sale boundaries rather than property lines.

I do not have a problem with orange paint as a no trespass symbol.  It is very easy to remove the mark.  On a Forest Service timber sale in Idaho the Ranger District was waiting on brown paint to paint out the orange sale boundary.  I pointed out the one part orange and four??( it has been 40 years) blue makes brown.  We stuck that mix in our paint guns and the boundary was gone fairly quickly. 

I think people need to support the orange paint proposal IF it is coupled with the requirement for a name on the no trespassing sign.

On a related issue....is DNR moving to allowing permit holders to post DNR land??  That needs to be stopped right now.  Any closures that are necessary need to be posted and identified as DNR.

[bigtex]

On a related issue....is DNR moving to allowing permit holders to post DNR land??  That needs to be stopped right now.  Any closures that are necessary need to be posted and identified as DNR.

No they are not

[CAMPMEAT]

First off it's called : no TRESPASS, not, TRESPASSING.

What happens if you don't have a tree to spray paint ?

Who's going to pay non-english speaking people to learn what the paint color means ?

How much of a tax is the gubmint going to charge landowners, to teach non-english people, what certain paint colors mean ?

[NWBREW]

It's already illegal to trespass. This really wouldn't change much. Like Bob33 said, with GPS technology, people should always know whose land they are on anyway.

 

Agreed. 100%

[Jingles]

Well I say no to this bill  no need to keep introducing more legislation to cover laws already on the books....  Is it not already against the law to knowingly trespass?  Aren't there already means of handling trespassers?
IN MY OPINION if a hunter doesn't know if he is or is not trespassing he/ she DOES NOT deserve to be in the woods and I mean without the So called GPS devices.
 If you haven't got brains enough to figure out where you are hunting, without a machine telling you where you are at, STAY the hell at home because you are probably not only a safety problem to yourself but others as well.
As far as the dirt bags posting and chaining off open ground that needs to be addressed not the trespassing

[j_h_nimrod]

Quite an assumption there Jingles. If you are in a place where the tracts are large or layed out in a reasonable matter it is one thing but in the areas I hunt around here there are numerous areas cut up every which way with numerous fences on public and private lands. There are also places where deer fences run from private to public land and back again depending on the easiest land to put the fence. Even using a GPS it is often difficult to figure out if you are on legal land or not.