HB 1627 Unlawful Removal of Wildlife Parts from Private Property

[stevemiller]

Agreed  Poachers are not any user group. A user group would be like archery,muzzle loaders,Hikers,snow mobilers,skiiers,hikers,jeepers ETC. get real.

[stevemiller]

Ill make it simple,Should any law be made that criminalizes a hunter more than a hiker for being in an area open to both?

[jackelope]

ANYONE that is for any law that specifically goes after any specific group is no sportsman,and should not be looked upon seriously by anyone that feels every user group should be treated equally.

Huh?

[Rainier10]

I guess I would say yes.  I am a Master Hunter and there is a clause that I signed saying I am aware that if caught breaking the law I will be charged with an additional offense just because I am a master hunter and should know better. 

[stevemiller]

Here's my issue with this. If a guy that hunts is caught trespassing and picking up sheds then he can lose his hunting license for two years and a fine. If someone that doesn't hunt trespasses and picks up sheds what's their punishment? Just a fine?

Not true. Someone convicted of this offense will not lose their license for simply taking sheds. In order for the license revocation to occur they must have two other fish and wildlife offenses within the past 10 years which is the standard fish and wildlife suspension policy.

You see all these laws are only for sportsman hunters and fisherman.I havnt seen any new laws pushed for bad drivers,jay walkers,etc only things that take away hunting fishing and gun rights.

[stevemiller]

ANYONE that is for any law that specifically goes after any specific group is no sportsman,and should not be looked upon seriously by anyone that feels every user group should be treated equally.

Huh?

Really you dont get it?Laws are supposed to be equal no matter what group a person is in it should not be harsher on one group than another

[Rainier10]

Here's my issue with this. If a guy that hunts is caught trespassing and picking up sheds then he can lose his hunting license for two years and a fine. If someone that doesn't hunt trespasses and picks up sheds what's their punishment? Just a fine?

Not true. Someone convicted of this offense will not lose their license for simply taking sheds. In order for the license revocation to occur they must have two other fish and wildlife offenses within the past 10 years which is the standard fish and wildlife suspension policy.

You see all these laws are only for sportsman hunters and fisherman.I havnt seen any new laws pushed for bad drivers,jay walkers,etc only things that take away hunting fishing and gun rights.

Do you pay attention to any of the new laws, have you heard about the distracted driving laws?  Are they just targeting sportsman that text or use cell phones?

[Rainier10]

ANYONE that is for any law that specifically goes after any specific group is no sportsman,and should not be looked upon seriously by anyone that feels every user group should be treated equally.

Huh?

Really you dont get it?Laws are supposed to be equal no matter what group a person is in it should not be harsher on one group than another

What?!  Laws should be equal no matter who you are?  Is that why the legal alcohol limit for bartenders and people with CDLs are half of the legal limit of everyone else?

Where do you come up with this stuff?

[stevemiller]

If you get caught so many times in so many years do they take your drivers license?

[stevemiller]

ANYONE that is for any law that specifically goes after any specific group is no sportsman,and should not be looked upon seriously by anyone that feels every user group should be treated equally.

Huh?

Really you dont get it?Laws are supposed to be equal no matter what group a person is in it should not be harsher on one group than another

What?!  Laws should be equal no matter who you are?  Is that why the legal alcohol limit for bartenders and people with CDLs are half of the legal limit of everyone else?

Where do you come up with this stuff?

I didnt say they werent I said they shouldnt be there is a diff.

[bigtex]

Here's my issue with this. If a guy that hunts is caught trespassing and picking up sheds then he can lose his hunting license for two years and a fine. If someone that doesn't hunt trespasses and picks up sheds what's their punishment? Just a fine?

Not true. Someone convicted of this offense will not lose their license for simply taking sheds. In order for the license revocation to occur they must have two other fish and wildlife offenses within the past 10 years which is the standard fish and wildlife suspension policy.

You see all these laws are only for sportsman hunters and fisherman.I havnt seen any new laws pushed for bad drivers,jay walkers,etc only things that take away hunting fishing and gun rights.

SB 5105 would make a 4th DUI a felony http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2015&bill=5105
HB 1582 would increase traffic fines, and significantly for speeding http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2015&bill=1582
SB 5502 would make it illegal to have an open marijuana container in a vehicle http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2015&bill=5002
SB 61015 goes after left lane drivers http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2015&bill=6105

Yup there's no bills aimed at bad drivers....

[bigtex]

If you get caught so many times in so many years do they take your drivers license?

Yes

3 serious offenses in a 5 year period or 20 moving violations in a 5 year period. License is then revoked for 7 years.

[stevemiller]

Ok I dont want to sound like i am personaly attacking anyone but I see out of your list so far a change in fines and penalties twice and two that are not laws yet is that correct?

[Rainier10]

ANYONE that is for any law that specifically goes after any specific group is no sportsman,and should not be looked upon seriously by anyone that feels every user group should be treated equally.

Huh?

Really you dont get it?Laws are supposed to be equal no matter what group a person is in it should not be harsher on one group than another

What?!  Laws should be equal no matter who you are?  Is that why the legal alcohol limit for bartenders and people with CDLs are half of the legal limit of everyone else?

Where do you come up with this stuff?

I didnt say they werent I said they shouldnt be there is a diff.

Then we will have to disagree, I think a bartender should know better about alcohol and its ability to impair driving and they should be held to a higher standard.  I think the same holds true for Master Hunter's should also be held to a higher standard and punished more severely for infractions.  And finally I think that hunter or fisherman that holds a license should be more aware of private property laws and should get a stiffer punishment than somebody just out hiking around.

[stevemiller]

If you get caught so many times in so many years do they take your drivers license?

Yes

3 serious offenses in a 5 year period or 20 moving violations in a 5 year period.

20 huh.i guess hunter really are more hazardous than bad drivers not.