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What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« on: February 01, 2015, 12:49:50 PM »
 Since this is a legal method of hunting at this time, I would like to hear if you plan on attending the commissioners meetings and working for the archery hunters of Washington that do choose to use this method as another hunting option.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2015, 12:25:19 PM »
Isn't hunting on a natural feed patch baiting?
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2015, 07:52:37 AM »
This topic is going to be heard at the March Commission meeting as part of the Game management Plan and Regulations/Seasons topic.  3 choices will be given to the Commisisoners to pick one with the new WDFW Game Manager giving no support or detraction to any of the choices: a complete baiting ban, a baiting ban except youth and disabled allowed to use bait with baiting on private land legal with a 10 gal per site limit, or a 10 gal maximum per site limit on any lands. 

We in WSB realize that a change in baiting rules will affect many bowhunters, so we wrote a strong position statement to the Commission against any ban in any form.  (Believe it or not, a well written position statement is more effective than the 3 minutes at a Commission meeting.  But, yes, we plan to be at the meeting, anyway.)  The problem is that a very few think the outfitters and hunters who choose to dump large amounts of bait in one site is causing a bad public perception; those against this are very vocal, so the WDFW thinks it is a problem when reality is likely completely different.  I expect the 10 gal limit to be adopted because of the vocal minority, but I feel strongly that no change should be made without solid evidence necessitating the change. 
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 07:57:43 AM »
Isn't hunting on a natural feed patch baiting?
I'm done with Washington... Until they value the money I spend here with better management... seeya
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Food plots and anything natural is not baiting per the WAC. 

The second part of your statement is the very crux of the problem.  There are too many apathetic hunters who choose not to hold the WDFW accountable for managing the game properly.  I choose to proactively participate whenever I can so my grandson will be able to enjoy hunting like I have.  You've made your choice, and I'm making mine; both choices are to be respected.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 09:00:37 AM »
I don't think we need a new law.  Public land management agencies already have existing laws restricting dumping or building structures on lands under their respective jurisdictions - where there is an issue those rules should be enforced.

On private property, it should be the owner's prerogative to decide whether or not legal baiting occurs on their property.  Baiting is an extremely valuable tool for safely and legally harvesting game in the urban/rural interface where it is most challenging to effect sufficient harvests to address vehicle collisions, nuisance/conflicts, and attraction of predators into areas where the potential for human conflicts increases. 
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 11:20:47 AM »
Thank you for addressing this Todd and also for everything that you and the WSB are doing, not only for bow hunters but hunters in general. I had a pretty good idea of what your response was going to be but thought it was important to get it out there for all to see. Thanks again!
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2015, 11:26:32 AM »
Thanks for your hard work Todd :tup:


This topic is going to be heard at the March Commission meeting as part of the Game management Plan and Regulations/Seasons topic.  3 choices will be given to the Commisisoners to pick one with the new WDFW Game Manager giving no support or detraction to any of the choices: a complete baiting ban, a baiting ban except youth and disabled allowed to use bait with baiting on private land legal with a 10 gal per site limit, or a 10 gal maximum per site limit on any lands. 

We in WSB realize that a change in baiting rules will affect many bowhunters, so we wrote a strong position statement to the Commission against any ban in any form.  (Believe it or not, a well written position statement is more effective than the 3 minutes at a Commission meeting.  But, yes, we plan to be at the meeting, anyway.)  The problem is that a very few think the outfitters and hunters who choose to dump large amounts of bait in one site is causing a bad public perception; those against this are very vocal, so the WDFW thinks it is a problem when reality is likely completely different.  I expect the 10 gal limit to be adopted because of the vocal minority, but I feel strongly that no change should be made without solid evidence necessitating the change.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2015, 10:34:54 PM »
Thank you Todd, Shawn and all the others supporting WSB

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2015, 07:42:52 PM »
WSB stands for keeping baiting legal if one chooses.  There are some vocal few that believe they should legislate their morals on everyone.  Simply don't bait if you don't believe it's morally right.  Perhaps spend the time fighting anti's and others that threaten hunting instead of going down the road of splitting the hunting community.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2015, 11:09:42 PM »
WSB stands for keeping baiting legal if one chooses.  There are some vocal few that believe they should legislate their morals on everyone.  Simply don't bait if you don't believe it's morally right.  Perhaps spend the time fighting anti's and others that threaten hunting instead of going down the road of splitting the hunting community.

 :yeah:  Extremely well said!  :tup:
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2015, 11:13:57 PM »
Here are the proposals that they just posted today:


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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2015, 10:47:16 AM »
I didn't get everything regarding baiting posted last night, so here's the rest. (I assume the commission will need to pick one of these three options)


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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2015, 03:18:34 PM »
On the WSB FB page it seems there are a few that want baiting illegal.  I'm surprised really.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Washington-State-Bowhunters/489023957775769?fref=nf

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2015, 03:00:35 PM »
Shawn is any of this applicable? It seems the intent is for there to be a scientific basis for changes.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=34.05.271
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2015, 03:25:04 PM »
While I support those that will be attending the meeting and I support that no changes be made that would prohibit baiting by any hunter the experiences I have had with the public meetings with WDFW is like Pizzing on a wildfire.
As a small scale miner we had numerous public meetings with WDFW prior to their latest revision of the Gold and Fish Pamphlet and presented all kinds of scientific studies and they ignored it all and so much as told us to go pizz up a rope. Consequentially I don't expect much more from these meetings although I hope for the best......I figure they already have the greenie minds made up and it doesn't matter what is said nothing is going to change it. short complete change of decision making personnel.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2015, 03:37:15 PM »
So, if I happen to be a wealthy ranch owner and plant crops for deer, that is ok.  If I am a normal guy and buy a box of apples, that isn't.

Maybe the first step is to push to include animals feeding on agricultural plots as baiting.  That way, we will at least all be on the same team.

This is just another chipping away at hunting.  In a generation, it is amazing what can happen.  Dogs, bait, lead bullets, you even have to weigh your arrows.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2015, 08:43:20 PM »
This is the comment I submitted in response to all three baiting restriction options.

"I strongly believe that the rule should remain status quo for the upcoming three year cycle.  I believe that the original online survey was the best judge of what hunters desired.  These were people that are actually concerned about the issue and took the time to respond to the survey.  I was not contacted for the phone survey and none of my family members or hunting partners were, that is a total of over 20 members of our family.  Bottom line the online survey said no change and there is no data to suggest that baiting is having a negative affect on the resource.  If there was something other than a few complaining that they are against it I would be willing to look at other options of controlling the problem.  I just don't see that there is a problem.  I don't believe that we should be making rules to ban a practice that works for some and has no adverse impacts on game populations.  In essence you are taking away opportunity from hunters and the benefit is to quiet a few complaints."

I have been to these meetings before and if enough people write in or show up to the meeting on one side of the issue the commission will listen and strike this from the new rules.  Especially if we argue that the online survey was against any restriction and there is no scientific evidence saying that baiting is adversely affecting the resource or hunter success.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2015, 08:56:01 PM »
At least they specifically exempted scents from being considered bait. Many people on this forum thought scents would be considered bait for deer and elk hunting purposes, just like it is for bear.


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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2015, 09:19:07 PM »
My interpretation of the three options is that -078 is the most severe. With the exceptions of ranches, food plots, orchards and so forth which are common to all three no baiting is allowed. Period.

The second option -079 allows baiting in quantities less than 10 gallons.

The third option -088 takes away the 10 gallon limit, but adds exemptions for youths, seniors, and some private lands.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2015, 09:32:07 PM »
My interpretation of the three options is that -078 is the most severe. With the exceptions of ranches, food plots, orchards and so forth which are common to all three no baiting is allowed. Period.

The second option -079 allows baiting in quantities less than 10 gallons.

The third option -088 takes away the 10 gallon limit, but adds exemptions for youths, seniors, and some private lands.
Yes
-078 bans all baiting
-079 sets a 10 gal limit on all bait sites
-088 bans bait on public land (except for youth, over 65, and disabled) and sets a 10 gal limit on private lands.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2015, 09:32:43 PM »
This is just another chipping away at hunting.  In a generation, it is amazing what can happen.  Dogs, bait, lead bullets, you even have to weigh your arrows.
That's true, but in my lifetime I've also gained the use of laser rangefinders, GPS units, Google Earth images, bows that shoot much faster and more accurately than ever before, two-way radios, trail cameras, better bullets, better rifles, better clothing, better publicly available landowner information, websites that post all the honey holes  :chuckle:, and a myriad of other things that have improved my hunt experience and allowed me to hunt better than ever before.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2015, 10:12:38 PM »
My interpretation of the three options is that -078 is the most severe. With the exceptions of ranches, food plots, orchards and so forth which are common to all three no baiting is allowed. Period.

The second option -079 allows baiting in quantities less than 10 gallons.

The third option -088 takes away the 10 gallon limit, but adds exemptions for youths, seniors, and some private lands.
Yes
-078 bans all baiting
-079 sets a 10 gal limit on all bait sites
-088 bans bait on public land (except for youth, over 65, and disabled) and sets a 10 gal limit on private lands.
Close, but not quite right on 088...it bans baiting except for  youth, 65+, and disabled hunters. It also exempts hunters hunting on private land in modern firearm restricted units/areas or urban growth areas, as defined by municipalities from the ban.  Even in the "exception" cases, the bait volume limit (10 gal) applies.
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2015, 08:26:45 AM »
The 4th option is to leave the baiting issue "as is".

It's important for everyone that is in favor of this to go onto the WDFW website and voice their opinion. It's easy to do and only takes about 5 min. Longer if you want to weigh in on the other issues at hand.

Like Shawn eluded to, It's ridiculous that other hunters are the driving force to get this "LEGAL" form of hunting changed and taken away!

Thanks again to everyone in the WSB for standing up for our rights!
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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2015, 08:49:12 AM »
This is just another chipping away at hunting.  In a generation, it is amazing what can happen.  Dogs, bait, lead bullets, you even have to weigh your arrows.
That's true, but in my lifetime I've also gained the use of laser rangefinders, GPS units, Google Earth images, bows that shoot much faster and more accurately than ever before, two-way radios, trail cameras, better bullets, better rifles, better clothing, better publicly available landowner information, websites that post all the honey holes  :chuckle:, and a myriad of other things that have improved my hunt experience and allowed me to hunt better than ever before.
Horse shoes, 4wd, camoflauge,  :chuckle: I wish I could have been able to hunt pre 70's technology be dammed. Less crowded, less laws, more open access better predator management practices, and a thriving logging industry the hunting must have been outstanding.

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Re: What is the WSB stance on Baiting for deer & Elk?
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2015, 09:35:40 AM »
The 4th option is to leave the baiting issue "as is".

It's important for everyone that is in favor of this to go onto the WDFW website and voice their opinion. It's easy to do and only takes about 5 min. Longer if you want to weigh in on the other issues at hand.

Like Shawn eluded to, It's ridiculous that other hunters are the driving force to get this "LEGAL" form of hunting changed and taken away!

Thanks again to everyone in the WSB for standing up for our rights!
This is spot on.  We don't have to choose one of these options, I have seen the commission in the past with enough written input and verbal input from meeting attendees just strike a proposal completely out of the regulations.

Go to the survey and say no change on all three options, keep baiting legal the way that it is right now.  They can readdress it later if it actually becomes a problem.  These proposals are a knee jerk reaction to a few people that have complained about it.
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